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Reverend Meteor




The reason I'm asking is because of Dr. Light raping Sue Dibny over at DC in Identity Crisis. I can't think of a Marvel super villain off the top of my head who has done that particular act. It seems like whenever rape occurs in a Marvel comic it's a nobody who raped a character in their origin story...it's never a card carrying super villain that does it.

Is Dr. Light unique in this regard?




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Both Purple Man and Moondragon have committed sexual assault, perhaps rape, against male victims. It was strongly implied that the Purple Man forced Swordsman II (Strucker) to acquiesce to certain acts while under PM's control. Similarly, Moondragon mind-controller Thor to be her lover. Without consent in either circumstance, I would call it rape.

I vaguely recall that the Puppet Master may have also crossed the line with a collection of female victims under his control. Empath may have as well. Seems to be a theme with villains who can control others' minds or emotions.

It's open for debate, but in my mind, Starfox has been acquitted of using his powers to interfere with consent.






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    Both Purple Man and Moondragon have committed sexual assault, perhaps rape, against male victims. It was strongly implied that the Purple Man forced Swordsman II (Strucker) to acquiesce to certain acts while under PM's control. Similarly, Moondragon mind-controller Thor to be her lover. Without consent in either circumstance, I would call it rape.


Yeah and I guess by that standard you could throw Marcus Immortus in there too.

But no Marvel villain as near as I can tell has actually physically forced themselves on their victim like Dr. Light did. It's always mind control.



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Mandrill is another who "rapes" through mind control.

Sabretooth supposedly raped Silver Fox.

In modern retellings, Belasco wasn't just hocus-pocusing over young Illyana, but raping her. And he certainly raped the original Beatrice.

D'Ken raped Cyke's mom.

Lincoln Slade, the Phantom Rider, raped Mockingbird, but he used drugs and hypnosis to make her more pliable.

Kaptain Brtion and Sat-Yr-9 liked to rape, in tandem with mind control, but I'm sure that was optional. Psylocke killed the former when he tried with her.

I'm quite sure it's been suggested that Sugar Man raped a lot. Can't recall the examples off hand though.

Coach, from X-Force/Statix, attempted to rape U-Go Girl. She shot him for that.

Joe MacTaggart raped Moira, and this was the explanation for Proteus' madness. Don't accept that last part, but well...




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when did moondragon do that?




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Did. Or, he's not above it, anyway. Sabretooth, I THINK that it was stated (Or hinted at.)that he raped Silver Fox, one of Wolverine's old girlfriends. Crossbones had, at the very least, physically assaulted Diamondback and the Red Skull's daughter. I think that I read that he raped them, but nothing was outright stated in the story. Norman Osborn (Seemingly.) took advantage of Gwen Stacy and Harry's girlfriend Lily (Ugh!), but that wasn't outright rape. The Purple Man is really the only definite one that comes to mind, but the other ones probably did too. I can see The Owl (Depending on how crazy he's being written. He's seemed to have gotten a lot crazier over the years.) maybe doing it, but to my knowledge, he's never done it. I think that The Ultimate Universe might have a decent amount of that. But aside from The Purple Man, no!

Also, is Dr. Light being a rapist even part of the 52 cannon? Heck, does Dr. Light even EXIST anymore?


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When was it implied (Or stated.) that he did that to Magik? Is he really that low? I don't think that anything like that has been said about The Sugar Man (Although he is really freaky, so, who knows?). I didn't know about D'Ken. Isn't he dead? Crossbones might have raped, as well.


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"Norman Osborn (Seemingly.) took advantage of Gwen Stacy and Harry's girlfriend Lily (Ugh!), but that wasn't outright rape."

It wasn't any kind of rape, outright or otherwise. And Norman Osborn didn't take advantage of Gwen Stacy. He slept with her, pure and simple. They were two consenting adults who were single at the time and made the decision to have sex together. Until Norman tried to take custody of their children, Gwen didn't even seem to regret that decision.

In Lily's case, Norman was definitely manipulating her and taking advantage of her, but there was never any indication that their sexual relations were anything less than consensual. I guess you could argue that Lily was unable to give consent because she was insane from the Goblin Serum, but you could say the same thing about Norman too.


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Has Mandrill ever used his powers to rape anyone? Obviously, having the power to mind control women could very easily be used for that purpose, but I don't think he's ever done so. As far as I know, he's only used his power to make women commit crimes for him, not to have sexual relations with him. And for what it's worth, Dan Slott specifically stated that Mandrill was not a rapist over on the Spider-Man board.


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He didn't actually rape his victim, but in Avengers 183-184, Absorbing Man was attempting to flee the country. He kidnapped a young woman, and hinted that he'd have his way with her as soon as they were out of reach of the United States authority.

Looks like quite a bit more than you thought there were, Rev!



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    Has Mandrill ever used his powers to rape anyone? Obviously, having the power to mind control women could very easily be used for that purpose, but I don't think he's ever done so. As far as I know, he's only used his power to make women commit crimes for him, not to have sexual relations with him. And for what it's worth, Dan Slott specifically stated that Mandrill was not a rapist over on the Spider-Man board.

I honestly don't know how else to read what Mandrill did to Black Widow. She was forced to marry him. That means only one thing-- a honeymoon suite. And the whole point of the story was Matt coming to terms with her sexual domination. We have since seen him have an actual harem of women. None of these women are there by choice; they are all rape victims.

Slott can (and does) say whatever makes him sleep well at night, but he's flat out wrong and trying to sugar coat things.




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    When was it implied (Or stated.) that he did that to Magik? Is he really that low? I don't think that anything like that has been said about The Sugar Man (Although he is really freaky, so, who knows?). I didn't know about D'Ken. Isn't he dead? Crossbones might have raped, as well.

Of course comics in the 80s weren't going to touch this, but she was filling the role of the original Beatrice, who Belasco did rape. There are definite hints dropped about this in Belasco's appearances in the past decade.

Yes, the Sugar Man does rape. In the original AOA stories it was implied that he raped Blink and Magik, and other young girl prisoners.

While he might not do the deed, himself, the Puppet Master has involved himself in the skintrade. In that Ms. Marvel arc where Carol supposedly let him die, he had switched to enslaving women only and selling them off.

D'Ken is supposedly dead, yes.




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"Secret Warriors" revealed that he's Stonewall's father from raping Jerry's mother.


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He showed up in an issue of Justice League during the "Trinity War" storyline, but was unintentionally killed by Superman (Atomica shrank into his brain and triggered his heat vision).


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If you're manipulating someone into sex, or if you're taking advantage of them, it's not exactly consensual, no? I think that you can make that argument (At the very least.). It might not be outright rape, but you were using a tactic that wouldn't be considered kosher. So, yeah, I wasn't thinking of outright rape, but that whole thing with Lily was just creepy and wrong.


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Spoil me, please, Ace. I don't know who StoneWall is/was. Thanks! \:\)



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    Did. Or, he's not above it, anyway. Sabretooth, I THINK that it was stated (Or hinted at.)that he raped Silver Fox, one of Wolverine's old girlfriends. Crossbones had, at the very least, physically assaulted Diamondback and the Red Skull's daughter. I think that I read that he raped them, but nothing was outright stated in the story. Norman Osborn (Seemingly.) took advantage of Gwen Stacy and Harry's girlfriend Lily (Ugh!), but that wasn't outright rape. The Purple Man is really the only definite one that comes to mind, but the other ones probably did too. I can see The Owl (Depending on how crazy he's being written. He's seemed to have gotten a lot crazier over the years.) maybe doing it, but to my knowledge, he's never done it. I think that The Ultimate Universe might have a decent amount of that. But aside from The Purple Man, no!


Wasn't the Red Skull's daughter conceived via rape...or am I misremembering that. I seem to remember Red Skull committing a rape before he was a villain.



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    Also, is Dr. Light being a rapist even part of the 52 cannon? Heck, does Dr. Light even EXIST anymore?





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    "Secret Warriors" revealed that he's Stonewall's father from raping Jerry's mother.





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    If you're manipulating someone into sex, or if you're taking advantage of them, it's not exactly consensual, no? I think that you can make that argument (At the very least.). It might not be outright rape, but you were using a tactic that wouldn't be considered kosher. So, yeah, I wasn't thinking of outright rape, but that whole thing with Lily was just creepy and wrong.


I know this makes me horrible but to me deception doesn't qualify.

If a guy lies to a girl he meets in a bar and tells her he's an astronaut, they go home together and she puts out and then she later finds out he just used the astronaut bit as a pickup line...that isn't rape in my book.

Now if he drugged her, blackmailed her, intimidated her or forced her then yeah rape. But if a woman willingly sleeps with a man (even if he did lie to her) then he's a jerk but he didn't really rape her. Rape gets thrown around too often as an accusation.




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That's how I see it, as well.

The whole dance of wooing has only ever been about manipulation. And it's two-sided. Women doing it as much as the men.




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      Has Mandrill ever used his powers to rape anyone? Obviously, having the power to mind control women could very easily be used for that purpose, but I don't think he's ever done so. As far as I know, he's only used his power to make women commit crimes for him, not to have sexual relations with him. And for what it's worth, Dan Slott specifically stated that Mandrill was not a rapist over on the Spider-Man board.

    I honestly don't know how else to read what Mandrill did to Black Widow. She was forced to marry him. That means only one thing-- a honeymoon suite. And the whole point of the story was Matt coming to terms with her sexual domination. We have since seen him have an actual harem of women. None of these women are there by choice; they are all rape victims.



I should hope so...a woman who willingly sleeps with an anthropomorphic mandrill is the more disturbing scenario.


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Sorry for the late reply. Stonewall (Jerry Sledge) was on Fury's Secret Warriors team. He had absorbing powers like his father. More info here http://marvel.wikia.com/Jerry_Sledge_(Earth-616)


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