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The Voice of Reason Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 564 |
Subject: The return of the one true Jean Grey Posted Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 04:58:43 pm EDT (Viewed 340 times) | |
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Finally, the true Jean Grey returns the 616. Now can we get rid of the X-Men from the past? Please? https://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/after-14-years-jean-grey-returns-to-marvel-comics/1100-156480/
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: Is this what breaks Teh IntarWebs? [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 06:30:45 pm EDT (Viewed 245 times) | |
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City of Heroes is BACK!
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Comicguy1 Member Since: Tue Apr 04, 2017 Posts: 1,511 |
Subject: Re: Booooooo! [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 07:42:56 pm EDT (Viewed 250 times) | |
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She's been dead long enough to keep her that way. She probably should have stayed dead the FIRST time!
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Tiamat Location: Orlando Member Since: Thu May 21, 2009 Posts: 1,144 |
Subject: Re: Is this what breaks Teh IntarWebs? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 08:37:47 pm EDT (Viewed 268 times) | |
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No idea. But I sure hope its her and not Captain Mar-Vell.
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Subject: Re: The return of the one true Jean Grey [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Tue Sep 19, 2017 at 11:37:03 pm EDT (Viewed 217 times) | |
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Don't just get rid of 'em, kill the little freaks!
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Grey Gargoyle Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 18,166 |
Subject: Again ? It has become a silly gimmick ... What's the point ? [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 03:49:15 am EDT (Viewed 268 times) | |
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America's Captain   Maintainer Location: Bayville New Jersey Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 12,139 |
Subject: Doesn't "silly gimmicks" pretty much summarize Marvel Comics in the 21st century? [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 08:06:33 am EDT (Viewed 235 times) | |
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: Well... [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 08:46:58 am EDT (Viewed 299 times) | |
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The only point to her death and continued death was to force the Scott/Emma Freakshow, and that's gone. Thankfully! On the other hand, bringing her back can't be a good sign for Rachel. The fact is that no character can fill the niche that Jean can. Rachel has the most potential to, but no one seems interested in doing it. City of Heroes is BACK!
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Reverend Meteor Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 11,689 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 09:01:28 am EDT (Viewed 258 times) | |
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Quote: The only point to her death and continued death was to force the Scott/Emma Freakshow, and that's gone. Thankfully!Exactly! Quote: On the other hand, bringing her back can't be a good sign for Rachel.I know right! I hope her death is a truly horrible one.  Quote: The fact is that no character can fill the niche that Jean can. Rachel has the most potential to, but no one seems interested in doing it.Let's just let Jean fill her own niche from now instead always handing it off to someone else. Sometimes it seems like she's a guest star in her own life. 
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America's Captain Maintainer Location: Bayville New Jersey Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 12,139 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 09:37:07 am EDT (Viewed 298 times) | |
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Quote: The only point to her death and continued death was to force the Scott/Emma Freakshow, and that's gone. Thankfully!I was generally pretty interested in the redemption tale of Emma, but again, as usual, I was entirely oblivious to so many stories that I bet made the whole thing implausible. In my on-again off-again experience of Emma, she was a villain who fell in love with Scott and then tried to be a hero for Scott's sake. (Pretty much identical to the Diamondback story line in the Captain America book, back when that book was readable.) Given my admittedly over-simplified rendering of what she's been doing all these years, it makes sense that Emma would go back to being a villain, now that Scott is dead. Quote: On the other hand, bringing her back can't be a good sign for Rachel.Quote: The fact is that no character can fill the niche that Jean can. Rachel has the most potential to, but no one seems interested in doing it.With Scott and Professor X dead, what would you say Jean's niche is? Are you focusing on her power set or some other aspect(s) of who she is?
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 01:05:14 pm EDT (Viewed 272 times) | |
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Reverend Meteor Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 11,689 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 02:51:39 pm EDT (Viewed 251 times) | |
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America's Captain Maintainer Location: Bayville New Jersey Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 12,139 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 03:26:11 pm EDT (Viewed 285 times) | |
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 07:10:16 pm EDT (Viewed 253 times) | |
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America's Captain Maintainer Location: Bayville New Jersey Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 12,139 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 07:32:33 pm EDT (Viewed 261 times) | |
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Reverend Meteor Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 11,689 |
Subject: Re: Well... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 07:39:11 pm EDT (Viewed 247 times) | |
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DCR Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 1,858 |
Subject: they should remove old time X-Men, not add more of them! [Re: The Voice of Reason] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 07:56:35 pm EDT (Viewed 228 times) | |
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Iron Man Unit 007 Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011 Posts: 4,987 |
Subject: Re: Well...Professor X does serve one critical function [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:43:42 pm EDT (Viewed 274 times) | |
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Iron Man Unit 007 Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011 Posts: 4,987 |
Subject: Re: Well...with Jean on the way back then perhaps [Re: America's Captain] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:46:06 pm EDT (Viewed 238 times) | |
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Iron Man Unit 007 Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011 Posts: 4,987 |
Subject: I doubt the inevitable return of the Phoenix is what breaks the internat as Marvel puts it. [Re: Tiamat] Posted Wed Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:10 pm EDT (Viewed 236 times) | |
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Restoring Mar-Vell however....
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Reverend Meteor Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 11,689 |
Subject: Re: Well...with Jean on the way back then perhaps [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 12:46:35 am EDT (Viewed 268 times) | |
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Grey Gargoyle Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 18,166 |
Subject: I think that, as a character, Rachel is a 1000 times more interesting than Jean [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 07:13:58 am EDT (Viewed 247 times) | |
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Quote: The only point to her death and continued death was to force the Scott/Emma Freakshow, and that's gone. Thankfully!On the other hand, bringing her back can't be a good sign for Rachel. The fact is that no character can fill the niche that Jean can. Rachel has the most potential to, but no one seems interested in doing it. To be honest & sincere, I am not a fan of Jean Grey. As a character, I prefer her daughter, Rachel. Here is my post about it on the X-Universe Board : https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=xmb-2017092111004405 Quote: Quote: What's the point of keeping her dead. ... because she has never been more interesting in a book than during the original Dark Phoenix story. Normally, I always prefer old-school Silver Age characters to newer ones. For example, Silver Age villains : I dislike when a newcomer easily wins against a veteran. Still, Jean Grey & Scarlet Witch are two of my exceptions. Stan Lee is a genius when it comes to write about male characters ... not so much about women. It can be explained by the fact that Silver Age superhero comics were written to be read by 1960s male teenagers. Ororo, Kitty Pryde, Meggan, Firestar, Mirage, Illyana, 1980s Rachel Summers, are a 1000 times more interesting than classic Jean Grey ever was and ever will be. She only became interesting during the Dark Phoenix story because it was fascinating to see, for the very first time, a major good character becoming a cosmic threat to everyone and because there was a moral dilemma about her fate. Then, she was brought back in X-Factor and her return created much more mess than it added value. Also, the character was totally bland compared to other female characters of the same period. The only true event was her lackluster wedding with Cyclops. Then, much later, after decades of stories during which nothing happened to Jean Grey, Grant Morrison had no choice but to imagine something, anything, to make her less boring ... and the Phoenix comes back, and she dies again. So, what's the point ? Rachel Summers as the Phoenix has always been more interesting than her mother.
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Subject: To be fair, they have always been part of the medium since the Golden Age (^_^') ... Still, they should be a last resort ... [Re: America's Captain] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 07:17:43 am EDT (Viewed 255 times) | |
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Reverend Meteor Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 11,689 |
Subject: I'm the opposite. I hate Rachel so so much. nnt [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:48:32 am EDT (Viewed 232 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: The only point to her death and continued death was to force the Scott/Emma Freakshow, and that's gone. Thankfully!Quote: On the other hand, bringing her back can't be a good sign for Rachel.Quote: The fact is that no character can fill the niche that Jean can. Rachel has the most potential to, but no one seems interested in doing it.Quote: To be honest & sincere, I am not a fan of Jean Grey.As a character, I prefer her daughter, Rachel. Quote: Here is my post about it on the X-Universe Board :https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=xmb-2017092111004405 Quote: Quote: What's the point of keeping her dead. Quote: ... because she has never been more interesting in a book than during the original Dark Phoenix story.Quote: Normally, I always prefer old-school Silver Age characters to newer ones.Quote: For example, Silver Age villains : I dislike when a newcomer easily wins against a veteran.Quote: Still, Jean Grey & Scarlet Witch are two of my exceptions.Quote: Stan Lee is a genius when it comes to write about male characters ... not so much about women.Quote: It can be explained by the fact that Silver Age superhero comics were written to be read by 1960s male teenagers.Quote: Ororo, Kitty Pryde, Meggan, Firestar, Mirage, Illyana, 1980s Rachel Summers, are a 1000 times more interesting than classic Jean Grey ever was and ever will be.Quote: She only became interesting during the Dark Phoenix story because it was fascinating to see, for the very first time, a major good character becoming a cosmic threat to everyone and because there was a moral dilemma about her fate.Quote: Then, she was brought back in X-Factor and her return created much more mess than it added value.Quote: Also, the character was totally bland compared to other female characters of the same period. The only true event was her lackluster wedding with Cyclops.Quote: Then, much later, after decades of stories during which nothing happened to Jean Grey, Grant Morrison had no choice but to imagine something, anything, to make her less boring ... and the Phoenix comes back, and she dies again.Quote: So, what's the point ? Rachel Summers as the Phoenix has always been more interesting than her mother.
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Subject: Re: they should remove old time X-Men, not add more of them! [Re: DCR] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:49:37 am EDT (Viewed 255 times) | |
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We need to build a time wall to keep all these lazy time immigrants out...and make the Council of Kangs pay for it!
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Subject: Re: Well...Professor X does serve one critical function [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 08:55:12 am EDT (Viewed 247 times) | |
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Subject: Re: Well...Professor X does serve one critical function [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 10:29:10 am EDT (Viewed 265 times) | |
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: No question about it. And Rachel's been the best Phoenix ever, despite that White Phoenix of the Crown, nonsense. [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:17:59 am EDT (Viewed 216 times) | |
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City of Heroes is BACK!
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The Black Guardian Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 26,590 |
Subject: Re: Well...with Jean on the way back then perhaps [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:20:54 am EDT (Viewed 218 times) | |
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Grey Gargoyle Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 18,166 |
Subject: Even in Excalibur ? :-( [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 05:14:05 am EDT (Viewed 276 times) | |
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Subject: Re: Even in Excalibur ? :-( [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Fri Sep 22, 2017 at 09:31:42 am EDT (Viewed 248 times) | |
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I do not like Rachel or the Phoenix Entity I do not like them, Sam-I-am Do not like them here or there I do not like them anywhere Not in a house, not with a mouse Not here or there, not anywhere I do not like Rachel or the Phoenix Entity I do not like them, Sam-I-am Could you? Would you? With a goat? Could you? Would you? On a boat? Could you? Would you? In the rain? Could you? Would you? On a train? Not with a goat, not on a boat Not in the rain, not on a train Not in a house, not with a mouse Oh, no Not in a box, not with a fox Not in a tree, you let me be I do not like Rachel and the Pheonix Entity I do not like them, Sam-I-am I do not like Rachel and the Phoenix Entity
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