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Sound like it might be good to do.

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I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.

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Well getting to use certain terms like MUTANT in the MCU would be nice.

Also Hugh Jackman did state once that if the copyright issues were resolved that he'd like to put the claws on again for an Avengers film.

Sadly though this sale is too late as Avengers 3 is coming soon and Avengers 4 is either deep in production or has wrapped and since these movies are it for RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth's contracts....

.....well....perhaps such a dream movie just won't happen.....

....unless....

They decide to offer RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth a sizeable chunk of money for one last rodeo as it were with a nice 2+ hour epic movie that gives us the Avengers, at least some of the X-men, and perhaps even the Fantastic Four all joining forces to save Earth from the hunger that is.....GALACTUS!

Definitely true.

The Black Panther is a little different, though. Yes, he has three iconic foes: Klaw, Man-Ape, and Eric Killmonger, all of whom are indisputably his. But even so, his most perfect nemesis could easily become Doctor Doom. Wakanda versus Latveria just really seems like an exciting movie to me.

As for Galactus, he certainly seems like a good foe to face the entire assembled heroes of Earth. While Annihilus seems like a good foe to face the cosmic heroes.

Of course, that's where the FF discussion typically finishes. Doom, Galactus, and Annihilus. Nobody's pining for the Avengers to face, say, the Puppet Master, the Frightful Four, Super-Skrull, or Diablo.

Meanwhile, the Avengers have three iconic foes we haven't seen yet: Kang, Korvac, and the Masters of Evil. There's plenty of material right there for another trilogy, especially if all three are somehow woven into a single tapestry.

As for Captain Marvel - I don't really think of her as having iconic foes. Does she? But I continue to hold to the slim hope that Marvel Cinema may have the guts to set up Carol Danvers as the primary nemesis of Thanos, even as her predecessor in the comics once was. I mean, is she Captain Marvel or not? If she really is - if she's not just a poser - then Thanos should respect and fear her more than any other hero. That is the legacy of Mar-Vell.

She has become the first line of defense against extraterrestrial threats (especially Blue Kree, Skrull, Brood ...).
Kree & Brood were involved into the origin of her powers. Skrulls are longtime foes of the Kree and are aware that she is connected to Mar-Vell.





Also, when she was a Starjammer, she was an enemy of the Shi'ar Empire.
Thus, among her main foes, there are :
- Supreme Intelligence, Ronan the Accuser, Doctor Minerva & Yon-Rogg the Magnitron
- the Brood Queen
- War-Skrulls (Super Skrull, Titannus, Skrulls of the Secret Invasion ...)
- Deathbird (see below), D'Ken

During the Bronze Age, her archenemies used to be Mystique & Deathbird. To this day, she still holds a grudge against them.




More recently, Grace Valentine was introduced as a potential archfoe (the equivalent of Veronica Cale for the Marvel Universe). J'Son of the Spartoi Empire is also in her rogues gallery.







Apparently, the Skrulls will be her nemesis in the movie. Titannus might be the main foe appearing in the film.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/titannus/4005-43275/

So, in the MCU, Titannus might be to 1990s' Carol Danvers what Thanos is to the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy.

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I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.

He has Dormammu, Nightamre and Baron Mordo. Who else does he really have?

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I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.

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Definitely true.

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The Black Panther is a little different, though. Yes, he has three iconic foes: Klaw, Man-Ape, and Eric Killmonger, all of whom are indisputably his. But even so, his most perfect nemesis could easily become Doctor Doom. Wakanda versus Latveria just really seems like an exciting movie to me.

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As for Galactus, he certainly seems like a good foe to face the entire assembled heroes of Earth. While Annihilus seems like a good foe to face the cosmic heroes.

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Of course, that's where the FF discussion typically finishes. Doom, Galactus, and Annihilus. Nobody's pining for the Avengers to face, say, the Puppet Master, the Frightful Four, Super-Skrull, or Diablo.

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Meanwhile, the Avengers have three iconic foes we haven't seen yet: Kang, Korvac, and the Masters of Evil. There's plenty of material right there for another trilogy, especially if all three are somehow woven into a single tapestry.

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As for Captain Marvel - I don't really think of her as having iconic foes. Does she? But I continue to hold to the slim hope that Marvel Cinema may have the guts to set up Carol Danvers as the primary nemesis of Thanos, even as her predecessor in the comics once was. I mean, is she Captain Marvel or not? If she really is - if she's not just a poser - then Thanos should respect and fear her more than any other hero. That is the legacy of Mar-Vell.

Carol's two best villains Mystique and Deathbird became more associated with the X-Men than with her.

Carol doesn't deserve Thanos as an arch nemesis IMO. (have they met?)

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Also Hugh Jackman did state once that if the copyright issues were resolved that he'd like to put the claws on again for an Avengers film.

I think I read today that he isn't interested.

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Sadly though this sale is too late as Avengers 3 is coming soon and Avengers 4 is either deep in production or has wrapped and since these movies are it for RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth's contracts....

Yeah we're eventually going to have an MCU 2.0 where the long standing actors are gone and the MCU focuses on new corners of Marvel.

I'm not really happy about the merge. I don't want the filthy mutants in the MCU and my fear is Deadpool won't be R rated anymore. I don't want Deadpool to be family friendly!

I tend to think of Rogue as Carol's greatest villain. She certainly handed her a crippling defeat, even if it was really Mystique's plan all along.

I always thought it was a mistake to reconcile Carol and Rogue. THAT kind of hero vs hero conflict is organic and sensible - unlike the Civil Wars.

"It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices." – Albus Dumbledore

In the MCU, I'm guessing no one we've seen yet is aware of Carol. I figure that's why her film is set in the 90s. I think she'll be leaving the Earth at the end of the movie. So Mystique probably won't be a part of her mythos. But Deathbird - now there's a possibility!




Maybe not in the comics but if I'm right, Carol will have been a galactic traveler (or prisoner) for the past 20+ years, so she could easily have encountered Thanos. As for deserving him, well, it all depends on what she's been doing the past 20+ years.

Indeed, they are the Big 3.

The others might be the Hell-Lords (especially Satannish, Mephisto and "Satan"/Marduk Kurios), Silver Dagger, the Vampires (especially Dracula and Victor Strange, one of the Baron Bloods), Yandroth and Umar.

Among the lesser known characters, there are the Fear Lords (for example, the Dweller-in-Darkness & Nox) and the Lords of the Netherworlds (for example, Tiboro).

You mean apart from Civil War 2? I don't think so.

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And this is where it dies horribly and shamefully. The new corners aren't going to be nearly as good.

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It could be argued that Mephisto is a Fox property because he comes from a Silver Surfer book.

And don't forget Shuma-Gorath.

However, I really don't think any solo hero needs more than 3. By that time, it's time to reboot.

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I'm no movie-making-expert, but couldn't Marvel Studios find other actors to play Stark/IM, Cap, Thor, etc. after the current ones? It's not like they haven't done it before (Bruce Banner actor Edward Norton replaced with Mark Ruffalo; James Rhodes/War Machine actor Terrence Howard replaced with Don Cheadle).

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The MCU is hardly the only film that lacks in developing the antagonist in their films. Plenty of films struggle with this because the film is busy developing the protagonists.

This probably explains why so many of the MCU TV shows have really well developed villains, because they have the time to do both.

While obviously we'd all like Doctor Doom to take on The Avengers, I don't think having Doom is a get-out-of-jail card. Hell, Fox has screwed up Doom twice already.

I think that it is currently owned by Marvel.
Mephisto appeared in the Ghost Rider movies and the Ghost Rider property is, again, in the hands of Marvel.




Unfortunately, Shuma-Gorath's name might be unavailable. (^_^')
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuma-Gorath#Publication_history



That's true.

That's right. I forgot the rights went back to Marvel.



Hmm... wonder how Marvel uses Shuma in their video games.

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He was in the Marvel Super Heroes fighter game:
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Hence why I wonder how. The REH estate tends to be sensitive about their stuff.

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