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The One Above All


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This may be slightly off topic but I never would have dreamed that a Thor movie would surpass a Justice League movie, Wonder Woman ,It movie, Logan and a Pirates of the Caribbean movie etc. Over the course of the last month I have gotten into too many arguments with DC fans on YouTube over Marvel vs Dc and have come to the conclusion that I truly sympothize for the fans. Warner Brothers,, Snyder, or whomever the powers at be are have tarnished a great franchise. Am I the only one who feels this way.?


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Reverend Meteor


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    This may be slightly off topic but I never would have dreamed that a Thor movie would surpass a Justice League movie, Wonder Woman ,It movie, Logan and a Pirates of the Caribbean movie etc. Over the course of the last month I have gotten into too many arguments with DC fans on YouTube over Marvel vs Dc and have come to the conclusion that I truly sympothize for the fans. Warner Brothers,, Snyder, or whomever the powers at be are have tarnished a great franchise. Am I the only one who feels this way.?


It is sad. DC deserves better than these movies.





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America's Captain 

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    This may be slightly off topic but I never would have dreamed that a Thor movie would surpass a Justice League movie, Wonder Woman ,It movie, Logan and a Pirates of the Caribbean movie etc. Over the course of the last month I have gotten into too many arguments with DC fans on YouTube over Marvel vs Dc and have come to the conclusion that I truly sympothize for the fans. Warner Brothers,, Snyder, or whomever the powers at be are have tarnished a great franchise. Am I the only one who feels this way.?


I sympathize with the DC fans. Maybe DC will learn something from the Wonder Woman film (their most successful recent film domestically).

Recent box office stats:
DC Extended Universe Box Office

I'm looking forward to Wonder Woman 2, Aquaman, and Batgirl. I think all three of these will be good. Batgirl directed by Joss Whedon seems like a license to print money. Aquaman needs to aim squarely at the muscle-ogling female market while also satisfying the male market.

The big disappointment for me has been Superman. DC took inspiration from Batman which was precisely the wrong thing to do. The next Superman film should take its inspiration from the Superman comics, in particular remembering that Superman is not fundamentally a character who gets into brawls. The most iconic images of Superman are not big punches but rather big rescues. He's about saving people, not beating people up. His villains should attack him indirectly by endangering civilians. (If I did a Superman film, it would be structured like a disaster film, with Superman saving people left and right, but some people saving themselves, and eventually Superman figuring out how to neutralize the threat.)










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The Black Guardian

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Well, yeah. I think many Marvel fans are also DC fans. Plus, a failure for one can spell doom for the other. When one succeeds, we all benefit.

Personally, I'm primarily a Marvel guy. My heart will never be in the majority of DC stuff. I really dislike Batman. I tolerate Supes. I probably won't ever spend money to see their movies. I like Diana. I love GLs. Most of the other characters I like come from DC's C-list (Firestorm, Vixen, Cyborg, etc.). However, I want there to be great movies for these characters.


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Unstable Molecule


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You've put your finger on what bothered me most about Man of Steel. Superman and his enemies just went at each other, and Superman didn't pay any attention at all to what must have been (at least!) tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Or would anyone like to argue that the multiple skyscrapers that fell to the ground were completely evacuated?

I remember sitting in the theater in horror, wondering who wrote this crap. The Superman I remember reading would have left the villain in a split second to rescue as many people as he could... but Cavill's Superman didn't even seem to notice the civilian deaths. He was too busy punching Zod into the next building. And the next. And the next. It's unavoidable - Superman is as guilty of those deaths as Zod was.




And a lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!
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The Voice of Reason


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I'd go one step further with your description of Supes, his parents did (in the comics) raise him to do the right thing unlike in the crappy movie where they purposefully tell him not to, the equivalent opposite of with great power comes great responsibility. Superman is the boy scout, the gold standard, the one everyone else looks up to.

My favorite version of the Man of Steel was the 90's animated series. Where Clark was a crack reporter and Big Blue inspired others by his deeds and words,

Zack and the DC movies missed the boat at every chance and turn they had and simply proceeded to double down when push came to shove.


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The Voice of Reason


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Agreed. And even the Marvel fan should want nothing but success for DC because a good hero movie is a good hero movie.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Agreed. And even the Marvel fan should want nothing but success for DC because a good hero movie is a good hero movie.


Thomas Carlyle: If there be no enemy there's no fight. If no fight, no victory and if no victory there is no crown.




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America's Captain 

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    You've put your finger on what bothered me most about Man of Steel. Superman and his enemies just went at each other, and Superman didn't pay any attention at all to what must have been (at least!) tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Or would anyone like to argue that the multiple skyscrapers that fell to the ground were completely evacuated?


I couldn't believe what I was seeing. There's no way those buildings were empty.


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    I remember sitting in the theater in horror, wondering who wrote this crap. The Superman I remember reading would have left the villain in a split second to rescue as many people as he could... but Cavill's Superman didn't even seem to notice the civilian deaths. He was too busy punching Zod into the next building. And the next. And the next. It's unavoidable - Superman is as guilty of those deaths as Zod was.


Do you know there are comic book fans who don't even care about that? It's pretty scary. Who the heck is Superman if not the great cosmic protector of Metropolis and the Earth in general?

DC allowed a Superman film to become a Godzilla film - with Superman as Godzilla.






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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I remember when the dog was saved but not his adoptive father.

I thought that it was so silly that I could never like this movie, no matter what.

It reminds me all these pop corn movies whenever they waste screen time showing the saving of a dog whereas, at the same time, thousands of people are killed off screen.

Independance Day comes to mind.
http://independenceday.wikia.com/wiki/Boomer

In a way, Man of Steel is the Independance Day of superhero movies.

"My dad is dead but, fortunately, we saved the dog ! (Clark Kent)"



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