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Yeah, you probably think I'm nuts. Marvel would probably think I'm nuts.

But Hercules and Wonder Man (the non-pacifist non-weird version) could do the buddy thing like Wonder Man and the Beast did. And we can't have a Wonder Man and the Beast movie because Marvel can't use their own character - the blue furry one.

I would keep Wonder Man earthbound. No flying. Only because (a) Hercules can't fly so I wouldn't want Wonder Man flying either and (b) flying actually simplifies situations for the hero in boring ways. Neither Spider-Man, nor Wolverine, nor Batman can fly - and they're the three most popular super-heroes.

I wouldn't use ionic Wonder Man. I hate the ionic thing.

Hercules's origin is easy, he's the actual Greek demigod. Spend five minutes on it and move on. As for Wonder Man, I would start him out as a pawn of Hercules's enemy Ares. (This harkens back to the actual Wonder Man origin, as he started out as a pawn of an Avengers enemy.) Ares would give Simon Williams super strength and construct some scheme for Wonder Man to carry out, so as to trick Hercules into becoming vulnerable in some way. But when it becomes apparent that Ares is about to kill Hercules, Wonder Man relents and attacks Ares. Hercules forgives Wonder Man and they become buddies. Wonder Man doesn't die. I think this captures the spirit of Wonder Man's comic book origin and hits the important emotional elements. Except for the dying. We can't have the dying. Also we don't need his brain patterns for the Vision in the film universe.

These two guys then have an adventure in classic buddy film style. The new villain would be the Grim Reaper, Simon's brother. Thus we get a Hercules rogue and a Wonder Man rogue in the same film.

I think this would be a lot of fun.

Thoughts?







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I would watch buddy movies between Thor and Herc or Wonder Man and Beast.

But I don't think Herc and Wonder Man have ever had much to do with each other.

If the X-Men movies can use Wanda and Pietro I think the MCU should be able to use Hank McCoy.

All that said...I want Herc to get a movie. He's just a fun character.





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    I would watch buddy movies between Thor and Herc or Wonder Man and Beast.



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    But I don't think Herc and Wonder Man have ever had much to do with each other.


In the comics. But in the movies, a new mythos is being forged. In the comics, Simon's brain patterns were used for the Vision. In the movies they weren't. There are many important differences between the comics and the movies. I'm OK with these differences because in most instances I know why they exist. In the comics, Hank Pym created Ultron. In the movies, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner did. In the movie universe, Hank Pym just isn't prominent enough and also is retired. Bringing him into the story to create Ultron when Tony and Bruce are very prominent, very active, and very available would have been silly. I accept these differences because they make sense to me.


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    If the X-Men movies can use Wanda and Pietro I think the MCU should be able to use Hank McCoy.


That would be nice. But I don't think Marvel can use the Beast. They couldn't even acknowledge Wanda and Pietro as mutants.

However, I guess Marvel and Fox could work together to create a Wonder Man/Beast film. I'm just doubtful they have the requisite maturity and wisdom.


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    All that said...I want Herc to get a movie. He's just a fun character.


Hercules needs to appear in something. There have been a couple recent Hercules films and all they did was make me yearn for Marvel's Hercules to stride onto the big screen.

But Wonder Man is cool too. Plus Marvel is easily juvenile enough to get a charge out of putting a "Wonder" character on the screen after the Wonder Woman movie made such a splash. ("Go ahead and tell us we don't have the right. We've been using him for decades.")







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      I would watch buddy movies between Thor and Herc or Wonder Man and Beast.

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        But I don't think Herc and Wonder Man have ever had much to do with each other.



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    In the comics. But in the movies, a new mythos is being forged. In the comics, Simon's brain patterns were used for the Vision. In the movies they weren't. There are many important differences between the comics and the movies. I'm OK with these differences because in most instances I know why they exist. In the comics, Hank Pym created Ultron. In the movies, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner did. In the movie universe, Hank Pym just isn't prominent enough and also is retired. Bringing him into the story to create Ultron when Tony and Bruce are very prominent, very active, and very available would have been silly. I accept these differences because they make sense to me.


But making a buddy movie between two characters who have nothing to do with each other in the comics does not make sense to me \:\)

I mean why even do a buddy movie between 2 characters who are neither buddies or rivals.







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    But making a buddy movie between two characters who have nothing to do with each other in the comics does not make sense to me \:\)



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    I mean why even do a buddy movie between 2 characters who are neither buddies or rivals.


Because I think they'd work well together. They're both fun-loving. (Or Wonder Man used to be. Now he's Gandhi so I don't know.) They could both be portrayed as the type who would love to play a good prank on someone. I don't know if Gandhi would like that but I wouldn't present Wonder Man in his current comic book personality.

Also they're both equivalently powered so they could handle similar threat levels. Plus Wonder Man could be played as very modern, up on all the modern technology, lingo, and style, while Herc could be played as very old-fashioned and behind the times. Sort of a Tony Stark/Steve Rogers dichotomy. (I'm thinking of the Wonder Man who used to be nicknamed "Hollywood" and used to be a film actor. He would presumably be very hip and up to date.)

Do something the comics might have done instead of worrying whether they actually did it or not.






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      But making a buddy movie between two characters who have nothing to do with each other in the comics does not make sense to me \:\)

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        I mean why even do a buddy movie between 2 characters who are neither buddies or rivals.



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    Because I think they'd work well together. They're both fun-loving. (Or Wonder Man used to be. Now he's Gandhi so I don't know.) They could both be portrayed as the type who would love to play a good prank on someone. I don't know if Gandhi would like that but I wouldn't present Wonder Man in his current comic book personality.



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    Also they're both equivalently powered so they could handle similar threat levels. Plus Wonder Man could be played as very modern, up on all the modern technology, lingo, and style, while Herc could be played as very old-fashioned and behind the times. Sort of a Tony Stark/Steve Rogers dichotomy. (I'm thinking of the Wonder Man who used to be nicknamed "Hollywood" and used to be a film actor. He would presumably be very hip and up to date.)



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    Do something the comics might have done instead of worrying whether they actually did it or not.


Yeah but they're like too similar. The joy of the buddy film is characters who are different. Or a duo who are actually buddies. Neither applies.

Now Hercules and Black Panther...they have radically different temperaments.








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