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Philmer21


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Since things are quiet right now I thought I would pick everyone’s brain.....

What former Marvel Title(s) would you give a second chance to? If you would change anything about the series - feel free to say what creative team, who would be the star(s) and what would be the premise....

Mine:

#1 X-Men 2099 - I would use the same premise they did with Spider-Man 2099 a few years back and have them stranded in the present for the first year or so in a “Legion Lost” kind of way. Keep the original X-Men 2099 team: Xian, Cerebra, Krystalin, Mettlehead, Meanstreak, Bloodhawk and Skullfire. - It would be interesting to see mutants of the future interact with the Krakoan Nation that is happening currently. I can’t see them joining the islanders and would create an interesting tension between the heroes they worship and this portion of history they may not have known about.

#2 Spider-Girl & The Exiles (Yeah this is merging two books into one) - Spider-Girl(Mayday), Blink, Morph - hopping through the galaxies with a rotating in and out team in unpredictable and often tragic tales like Judd Winnick did in the original series.

#3 What If..... have the original writers of the story do a new take on the story told. Claremont could do a Dark Phoenix Saga what if story, Peter David could do a Maestro story, Mark Miller for Civil War. I think having the original writers (and artists if possible) would give the What If storied so much more depth.

If I think of any more I will add to the post. What fun ideas would you all have?

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Silver Surfer


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Fascinating question. Here are mine.

1. Daily Bugle/The Pulse - I have always been a big fan of the character of Ben Urich. He was one of the stars of the Pulse (honestly, the more interesting in my opinion), but I would borrow the name from the 1997 mini series.

I think looking at the more ground level through an aging reporter in a rapidly changing industry is always great. You kind of had it with Front Line, but it was too tied to the events themselves, and had way too much SAlly Floyd.







2. Man-Thing - One of the really annoying choices Marvel made, and no one talks about, over the last few years was having R.L. Stine write Man-Thing.

Man-Thing was at its best almost like a Vertigo book. I think they should embrace that idea. Set up some very loose parameters, and let creators tell really interesting stories in a book that lacks traditional genre separations. It was always kind of a back-door anthology in the first place, with Man-Thing only occasional as the main character.

I would even kick it off by choosing a writer who they should have chosen instead of Stine, Stephen King. A writer who has shown to have a respect for comics, in known for playing with genres, writes character studies, and could bring in large numbers of readers willing to give it a try.









3. New Warriors - I know, I know, those solicits for the upcoming series don;t look great. That is why I would go to an alternate reality. In this one the original Warriors have all ages into adults.

Thrash is married and remembering the friends that reopened him up to this kind of life, on the verge of having his first child. Nova wants to return to Earth. Nita is an Atlantean Ambassador. Vance an Avenger who had found the father figure he wanted in his GoG self, and fell into a deep depression after he died. Firestar is retired from the biz and divorced. They are trying to help each other through their life problems and reconnect, all while trying to find a place int he world again and face the facts that the relationships with their other Warriors was a foundation they needed in their lives.

Speedball wants to put it all behind him. Thinks it was kid stuff. However, there is a new young Speedball that pops up and starts helping the Warriors. They are convinced it is Robbie's teenage son, and Vance becomes worried that given Robbie's dislike for the life he is abusing his son... not unlike happened to him, and emotionally a bit Robbie himself. However, the younger Speedball is Robbie himself, a part of himself he repressed in an attempt to grow up.







4. Amazing Fantasy - It is really weird how Marvel has abandoned so many non-superhero comics. Bring back the anthologies, and since Amazing (adult) Fantasy was Stan's favorite why not that one?

Horror, sci-fi, monster, fantasy, all under one roof. Have a standard on the type of stories it can tell. Mix in old, current, and new writers would make up the stories.

I am thinking it being like the Warren books of the 70s in terms of tone and variety. A real playground for creators, as well as a way to test new creators and give beloved ones a place to tell stories.

If you kept it (mostly) in continuity it could create a lot richer Marvel Universe.








5. What If...? - But not the usual pick a point and see how it could diverge. No. Just a series of one and done alternate reality stories that star Marvel characters.




6. Marvel Premiere - I feel that this was a better way to introduce and test new characters than just giving them their own series off the bat.





7. Untold Tales of Spider-Man - Excepet from across the character's history, not just the 60s stuff. Or, maybe set in the era that is the 70s/80s to us. Really take advantage of that gritty New York vibe.






8. Marvel the Lost Generation - There are just a lot of great stories that can be told with those characters.







9. Falcon - This would just be a maxi-series. Sam is a great character, and they have tried so many times to give him Just write one really good, character defining story that can only be told with Sam as Falcon. Just give one of Marvel's great characters some respect.

I don;t mind Sam as Cap conceptually, and it WILL happen again to sync up with the movies. However, I think before that happens the Falcon iconography should be shown to mean something.



10. The Torch - A mini series from a few years back Starring the original Human Torch. Let's bring back one of Marvel's O.G. superhero, complete with PKD type thoughts on what it means to be human, and some sci-fi adventures.




11. Thing - Ben Grimm traveling across the Earth, cosmos, and dimensions as a sort of rock-skinned ronin. fighting all forms of trouble with his unique experience.






That is it for now.


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Silver Surfer


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My apologies, a few more.



12. Monsters on the Prowl - Something examining why all the giant monsters, alien invasions, and other stuff from before F.F. #1 either doesn't happen anymore... or in some cases seemingly forgotten. There is a great story there.


13. Agents of Atlas - I just loved that Jeff Parker series. I know, there is a new one, but I think it misses the chemistry of the old team. And Gorilla Man, that guy is great.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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A mini series that deals with Jim hammond that takes place in the present but with flash backs to his origins of him learning how to be human in both eras.


Also as I recall in the MU, he has the Medal of Honor for roasting A.H. in his bunker at the end of the war. A.H. was reaching for a red button when he got fried.....but they never stated what that button was for as I recall, presumably a destruct button but perhaps there is a story around that....some type of last resort doomsday weapon like a super robot like the Red Skull's sleeper robots?

Machine Man: a series that follows up with the current 2020 gimmick in the Iron Man books

Ant-Man and the Wasp: a sub plot has Pym split from Ultron and finally decides to dedicate his life to the ultimate destruction of Ultron

The Phantom Rider: Hamilton Slade was shot and killed in the Hawkeye/Mockingbird mini a few years back and the spirits of Carter (the good Rider) and Lincoln ( the insane one) were sent into the ether....hamilton's daughter was full of hate towards Mockingbird that Lincoln exploited and made her into a corrupt new Phantom Rider.....but what if Hamilton has more then one kid and that kid is the next one chosen to be the new Phantom Rider....sibling Rider warfare and the new Phantom Rider must also make sure Lincoln is forever contained....

Werewolf by Night

Tomb of Dracula

The Spaceknights......they can't use ROM, but Marvel owns all other Spaceknights and Galador....

The Nova Corps.....about time Marvel rebuilds the Corps, presuming they haven't already, haven't kept up




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I would put John Byrne on Alpha Flight with the condition that he explore an alternate timeline from #12 and that he keep the book grounded in Canada, so settings, culture, myths, all that, more exploration into the Omega Flight team. Sabretooth as an adversary, team up with Captain Britain and the Black Knight. I wouldn't mind seeing Byrne explore some of what he had wanted to do with the timelines story he had planned for WCA.


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A Marvel Team-Up book that incorporated villain team ups fairly regularly.

And/or a Marvel Comics Presents title that has one of the four story slots dedicated to developing a villain, and one of the story slots dedicated to a team-up story.


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    Quote:
    I would put John Byrne on Alpha Flight with the condition that he explore an alternate timeline from #12 and that he keep the book grounded in Canada, so settings, culture, myths, all that, more exploration into the Omega Flight team. Sabretooth as an adversary, team up with Captain Britain and the Black Knight.


Yeah! Byrne back on Alpha Flight should be good any which way! Some of my asks would include: for him to permanently shut down the AFSS (or at least that damned copycat name), remove Northstar from all the Krakoa malarky, and reveal Puck was temporatily "tall" human thru magic because his parentage was actually dwarvish.


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    I wouldn't mind seeing Byrne explore some of what he had wanted to do with the timelines story he had planned for WCA.


Hmm! What story was that???




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    Hmm! What story was that???


WCA vs Immortus (and Scarlet Witch being his pawn). The story was concluded by Roy Thomas instead, if I am not mistaken.


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I'm kind of iffy about Byrne on Alpha Flight, because I tend to think he doesn't take it nearly as seriously as its fans.




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    I'm kind of iffy about Byrne on Alpha Flight, because I tend to think he doesn't take it nearly as seriously as its fans.


Indeed!


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    https://www.cbr.com/john-byrne-the-hidden-answers/
    "JB: ALPHA FLIGHT was never much fun. The characters were created merely to survive a fight with the X-Men, and I never thought about them having their own title. When Marvel finally cajolled me into doing ALPHA FLIGHT, I realized how incredibly two-dimensional they were, and spend some twenty-eight issues trying to find ways to correct this fault. Nothing really sang for me. If I have any regrets, it would probably be that I did the book at all! It was not a good time for me."



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Quantum


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Remember how when Byrne was doing his WCA run there were these interludes with Immortus in some other dimension watching events unfold in different timelines? You may remember one where he ensured the murder of Lincoln. He seemed to be trying to keep different alternate realities from happening, and this was going to be connected to Wanda's powers, which Byrne was redefining as being able to alter the past.

(There was a page where Pym was testing Wanda's powers by having her shatter a metal bar. When she shattered it, the picture of the bar before she acted on it showed faults and flaws that weren't there before. I thought this was a good way to demonstrate how Byrne was explaining her powers.)

So recently I read that Byrne was planning to expand this into a crossover story where Immortus had used Wanda's powers in a way that created a new reality (like happened in House of X), and the Black Knight would wake up in this new reality as the only person who remembered how it was supposed to be.

Here's that article. https://bleedingcool.com/comics/recent-updates/did-john-byrne-create-new-marvel/


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    Quote:
    Remember how when Byrne was doing his WCA run there were these interludes with Immortus in some other dimension watching events unfold in different timelines? You may remember one where he ensured the murder of Lincoln. He seemed to be trying to keep different alternate realities from happening, and this was going to be connected to Wanda's powers, which Byrne was redefining as being able to alter the past.



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    (There was a page where Pym was testing Wanda's powers by having her shatter a metal bar. When she shattered it, the picture of the bar before she acted on it showed faults and flaws that weren't there before. I thought this was a good way to demonstrate how Byrne was explaining her powers.)



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    So recently I read that Byrne was planning to expand this into a crossover story where Immortus had used Wanda's powers in a way that created a new reality (like happened in House of X), and the Black Knight would wake up in this new reality as the only person who remembered how it was supposed to be.

(Kinda like when he made it to Ultraverse?)






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