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Rodimus


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That was when Marvel was at its zenith. We had the original Transformers comics, Marvel 2099, New Universe, Heroes Reborn/Return, Age of Apocalypse, Days of Future Past, Secret Wars (the original), Secret Wars II, (mostly) great artists (who later quit and formed Image), and more. I also like the Avengers' traditional comic costumes more than their's carried over from the movies, but I understand it needs to be done to draw in new readers. Also, Spider-Man still had a long-standing secret ID and marriage with MJ status-quo, which was ruined by Civil Wars later on.

Thoughts?




- Rodimus




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    That was when Marvel was at its zenith. We had the original Transformers comics, Marvel 2099, New Universe, Heroes Reborn/Return, Age of Apocalypse, Days of Future Past, Secret Wars (the original), Secret Wars II, (mostly) great artists (who later quit and formed Image), and more. I also like the Avengers' traditional comic costumes more than their's carried over from the movies, but I understand it needs to be done to draw in new readers. Also, Spider-Man still had a long-standing secret ID and marriage with MJ status-quo, which was ruined by Civil Wars later on.


I was 19 in 1980. The 80s and 90s were for me my 20s and 30s. I was more demanding in those years than I had been before, and unfortunately that meant I was more easily disappointed. I had a strong tendency to prefer independents to Marvel or DC, and to prefer DC (especially Vertigo) to Marvel. I also went long periods without reading comics at all.

I guess I have an alternate viewpoint to set beside your own, Rodimus. In my opinion the 80s and 90s were the best time, not for Marvel, but for DC and the independents. Really when I say DC what I mean is Vertigo. There was real experimentation going on, and it seemed actually to matter, as if maybe the industry would turn away from the superhero model and embrace unlimited flexibility. But none of it ever really caught on, except in isolated incidences, like the greatest comic of all time, Vertigo's Sandman.









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Well, except for the time they almost went bankrupt...



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Rodimus


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Oh yeah, that was bad, escpecially for 2099. And the Transformers comic was cancelled with #80 in 1991, even though issue-sales were satisfactory to keep it going.




- Rodimus




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You raise an excellent point there. Sandman, Hellblazer, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, there were some awesome comics being published by DC at that time.

For me the nineties just weren't all that good at Marvel. you had crap like Spider Man's clone saga, the X-Men weren't doing it for me. I'm not saying it was all bad, just that I really wasn't feeling the product at the time. And then we got that Heroes Reborn nonsense.

I think maybe for Marvel their heyday started in the seventies where they had begun some experimentation with comics like The Defenders and Howard The Duck, where we had Luke Cage, Hero For Hire. Ghost Rider was a product of the seventies, and Spider Woman had her debut in '77. Ms. Marvel also showed up then.


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I wish Marvel had kept up with their licensed properties, including Godzilla from the late 70s and of course Conan and Kull. GI Joe, Transformers, Rom, the Micronauts, Shogun Warriors - these were some of the best concepts Marvel ever published.






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It was the beginning of the end.

Derivative characters (Spider-Woman, She-Hulk), too many X-titles, overly and unnecessarily complex storylines and continuities, the start of the companywide crossover cash cow, the slow erosion of great writers and artists from the company in favour of lesser authors and truly terrible artists (who later quit and formed Image)...

It was the age when Marvel Comics vanished from the newsstands. The age when the reader and collector was pushed aside in favour of the investor. The age of near-bankruptcy for Marvel, and actual insolvency for more comic shops than you could count.

It was the age of the gimmick cover. The age of 'Toy-Biz'.

It was the time when the original material graphic novel gave way to the reprint graphic novel, which in turn has led to the decompressed storytelling we have today.

It was the time of creator-ego, when any clown who could type or pick up a crayon thought they could do marvel comics better than Stan, Jack, Steve and Don (2099, Heroes Reborn, New Universe). Guess what..? They couldn't.

Marvel got sick in the 1980's and died in the 1990's. All we have left today is it's zombie.


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    That was when Marvel was at its zenith.


Agreed! I loved Marvel comics in the 80s and 90s. X-Men were at their best in the 80s and 90s and I couldn't get enough of them. Uncanny X-Men written by Claremont in the 80s and 1990 were incredible, and I loved the X-Men comics in the 90s. My favorite X-Man, Gambit, was introduced in 1990 and a very enjoyable Gambit solo series started in 1999.

And not only did you have the great X-men comics by Claremont in the 80s, but you also had Frank Miller on Daredevil, Simonson on Thor, and Byrne on Fantastic Four. And yeah, Heroes Return was great. You got the incredible run on Avengers by Busiek and Perez, and the relaunched Thor by Jurgens and Romita Jr. which was awesome and was where I first really got into the character.


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    Also, Spider-Man still had a long-standing secret ID and marriage with MJ status-quo, which was ruined by Civil Wars later on.


Yep, I was huge fan of Spider-Man before Quesada ruined him in One More Day, and the 80s and 90s were my favorite time periods for Spider-Man comics(aside from the end of the Clone Saga and the period when Ben Reilly was portrayed as the real Spider-Man). I loved his relationship with Mary Jane, and I loved the stories with Venom and Carnage.





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In my opinion, the 80's was the pinnacle of Marvel. Maybe not for magic, that'd be the 60's because I don't think anything can top the feeling invoked by that decade, but for quality. Roger Stern on Amazing Spider-Man and Avengers, John Byrne on Fantastic Four and Alpha Flight, Bill Mantlo on Hulk and Spectacular Spider-Man, Frank Miller on Daredevil, JM DeMatteis on Captain America, Chris Claremont on X-Men and New Mutants, Walt Simonson on Thor, David Michelinie on Iron Man and later on ASM. These were classic runs on classic books.

While I'm really not that big on the 90's books, I do have nostalgic pulls for Spider-Man's Clone Saga and DeFalco's Fantastic Four. I do like Captain America from the first half of the decade.


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    Roger Stern on Amazing Spider-Man and Avengers, John Byrne on Fantastic Four and Alpha Flight, Bill Mantlo on Hulk and Spectacular Spider-Man, Frank Miller on Daredevil, JM DeMatteis on Captain America, Chris Claremont on X-Men and New Mutants, Walt Simonson on Thor, David Michelinie on Iron Man and later on ASM. These were classic runs on classic books.


It's nice to see Bill Mantlo and JM DeMatteis get some love.







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    That was when Marvel was at its zenith. We had the original Transformers comics, Marvel 2099, New Universe, Heroes Reborn/Return, Age of Apocalypse, Days of Future Past, Secret Wars (the original), Secret Wars II, (mostly) great artists (who later quit and formed Image), and more. I also like the Avengers' traditional comic costumes more than their's carried over from the movies, but I understand it needs to be done to draw in new readers. Also, Spider-Man still had a long-standing secret ID and marriage with MJ status-quo, which was ruined by Civil Wars later on.



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I would say Marvel was definitely at its Zenith, especially in the 80s. Miller's DD blew my mind. The X-men in the 80s were at their height and then they got even bigger in the 90s. It was a great time to be an X-men fan. People criticize the X-events of the 90s but Age of Apocalypse is one of my most cherished events. You had the many animated series and cards and toys exploding. I loved Peter David's run on Hulk too and it was filled with great artists. Oh and how could I forget Joe Kelly's Deadpool?






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    That was when Marvel was at its zenith. We had the original Transformers comics, Marvel 2099, New Universe, Heroes Reborn/Return, Age of Apocalypse, Days of Future Past, Secret Wars (the original), Secret Wars II, (mostly) great artists (who later quit and formed Image), and more. I also like the Avengers' traditional comic costumes more than their's carried over from the movies, but I understand it needs to be done to draw in new readers. Also, Spider-Man still had a long-standing secret ID and marriage with MJ status-quo, which was ruined by Civil Wars later on.


My favorite thing about the 90's were the New Warriors. I became a teenager during that run and I think the series ended during the summer after I graduated high school. That book was with me during my teen years.




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