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Via Wikipedia and eBay I've come up with this list of superbeings created in the 80s or 90s whose solo titles reached issue 50:

She-Hulk
Lobo*
Savage Dragon
Hellblazer (John Constantine)*
Neil Gaiman's Sandman*
Spawn
Cable
Darkhawk
Deadpool
Supreme
Starman

* Denotes superbeings who arguably aren't "superheroes" which is why I used the term "superbeing" in the first place.

I came up with 11. Can you add to my list?

Marvel had 4, DC had 4, and Image had 3.






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Off the top of my head, Witchblade also made it 100 at least. Hellboy, if you count the sequential sub-numbering of all the miniseries he was at least over 60 last time I was reading 'em and that was at least 5 years ago.

Do you count new characters taking on an old mantle? Conner Kent/Kon-El Suberboy made it to 100. I think Tim Drake/Robin did too. Linda Danvers/Supergirl made it 75 I think.

For that matter Transformers made it to 80 and G.I. Joe something like 140 at Marvel.




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    Off the top of my head, Witchblade also made it 100 at least. Hellboy, if you count the sequential sub-numbering of all the miniseries he was at least over 60 last time I was reading 'em and that was at least 5 years ago.


Witchblade is a definite! Thank you. So that's one for Top Cow.

I consciously excluded Hellboy because it never actually had an issue 50. Continuous monthly publication for 50 issues is the accomplishment I want to applaud here. I don't know if Hellboy actually achieved that. Another character I consciously excluded was Lady Death and for the same reason. I'm sure if all of her minis were tallied up she'd be well over the 50 issue mark. But to me that's not the same as continuous monthly publication.

I realize that nowadays a comic almost never reaches issue 50 because comics fans are so silly as to be constantly looking for first issues (duh) but back in the 80s and 90s a comic could still be expected to retain its sequential numbering.


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    Do you count new characters taking on an old mantle? Conner Kent/Kon-El Suberboy made it to 100. I think Tim Drake/Robin did too. Linda Danvers/Supergirl made it 75 I think.


Hmm. I hadn't seriously considered them. I'll have to think about it. I would have to include Kyle Richmond/Green Lantern and Wally West/Flash as well, which at that point just starts to seem silly to me. I gave She-Hulk a pass because before she existed there was no female jade giant - she was the original.


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    For that matter Transformers made it to 80 and G.I. Joe something like 140 at Marvel.


They're teams. I'd like to focus on solo characters.






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    I consciously excluded Hellboy because it never actually had an issue 50. Continuous monthly publication for 50 issues is the accomplishment I want to applaud here. I don't know if Hellboy actually achieved that. Another character I consciously excluded was Lady Death and for the same reason. I'm sure if all of her minis were tallied up she'd be well over the 50 issue mark. But to me that's not the same as continuous monthly publication.

The interesting thing about Hellboy is that even though it came out as mini series and one-shots with their own numbering, on the inside front cover it carried an overall series number that continued from one mini to the next, I never saw any other comic do that. It was probably just to help readers determine the reading order. They didn't come out monthly though.

Lobo, before he had the ongoing had a run of minis and one-shots that came out pretty much monthly and probably equalled 50 issues. But he had the ongoing too so we don't need to worry about that.

I was thinking Azrael would make the list but it looks like his title conked out at 47.


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    Do you count new characters taking on an old mantle? Conner Kent/Kon-El Suberboy made it to 100. I think Tim Drake/Robin did too. Linda Danvers/Supergirl made it 75 I think.



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    Hmm. I hadn't seriously considered them. I'll have to think about it. I would have to include Kyle Richmond/Green Lantern and Wally West/Flash as well, which at that point just starts to seem silly to me. I gave She-Hulk a pass because before she existed there was no female jade giant - she was the original.

Ah, but Wally West was a pre-existing character from the '60s. Kon-El, Tim Drake, Linda Danvers and Kyle Rayner were new characters in the 90s. I had forgot about Kyle because he didn't start with an issue #1. But he went for about 100 issues starting with #51.didn't he? For that matter you could look at Connor Hawke too. (EDIT: Just checked, Connor only lasted 37 issues as the star of Green Arrow).

Checking your list again, if you're going to count Jack Knight/Starman, a new character inheriting an old legacy, you should probably count the ones I listed above.


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      For that matter Transformers made it to 80 and G.I. Joe something like 140 at Marvel.



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    They're teams. I'd like to focus on solo characters.

Fair enough. Although the G.I. Joe book eventually became "G.I. Joe Starring Snake Eyes" with the latter's name taking prominence in the logo.

Oh never mind. I see now that only lasted 10 issues.

Wait ... did we both forget about The Punisher? Oh, wait ... he's not a "super."

I found another one. Steel/John Henry Irons, his series lasted 53 issues! Although a tech guy, he did eventually develop a super power too. He could teleport his armor on and off himself somehow as needed, enabling lightning-fast identity changes.


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Her series lasted 100 issues!


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    Her series lasted 100 issues!


Yes! Her first appearance was in 1998! She's one of ours!

Which triggered me to check Spider-Man 2099 - who unfortunately only lasted until issue 46.







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      Off the top of my head, Witchblade also made it 100 at least. Hellboy, if you count the sequential sub-numbering of all the miniseries he was at least over 60 last time I was reading 'em and that was at least 5 years ago.



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    Witchblade is a definite! Thank you. So that's one for Top Cow.



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    I consciously excluded Hellboy because it never actually had an issue 50. Continuous monthly publication for 50 issues is the accomplishment I want to applaud here. I don't know if Hellboy actually achieved that. Another character I consciously excluded was Lady Death and for the same reason. I'm sure if all of her minis were tallied up she'd be well over the 50 issue mark. But to me that's not the same as continuous monthly publication.


I would count Hellboy. Hellboy The Fury issue 3 is issue 57 and says so in the book.

I think it's fair to discount every thing AFTER that like Hellboy In Hell and Hellboy and B.P.R.D. but there is a numbering scheme that is carried over from miniseries to miniseries and reflected on the introduction page consistently starting with The Wolves of Saint August as #5 (#1-4 were the Seed of destruction series) and concludes with The Fury issue #3 which was #57. Since the criteria was 50 I think Hellboy fits as the last regular issue of Hellboy was #57.

Dark Horse has that thing where a lot of franchises miniseries have an introductory page that tells you what number that issue in the miniseries is within the overall series. For example Conan the Slayer #12 is issue #149 in the overall Conan series. Off the top of my head everything Conan or Mike Mignola related follows that pattern at Dark Horse.


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    I realize that nowadays a comic almost never reaches issue 50 because comics fans are so silly as to be constantly looking for first issues (duh) but back in the 80s and 90s a comic could still be expected to retain its sequential numbering.


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      Do you count new characters taking on an old mantle? Conner Kent/Kon-El Suberboy made it to 100. I think Tim Drake/Robin did too. Linda Danvers/Supergirl made it 75 I think.



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    Hmm. I hadn't seriously considered them. I'll have to think about it. I would have to include Kyle Richmond/Green Lantern and Wally West/Flash as well, which at that point just starts to seem silly to me. I gave She-Hulk a pass because before she existed there was no female jade giant - she was the original.



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      For that matter Transformers made it to 80 and G.I. Joe something like 140 at Marvel.



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    They're teams. I'd like to focus on solo characters.






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    Ah, but Wally West was a pre-existing character from the '60s.


OK - so let's definitely drop him.


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    Kon-El, Tim Drake, Linda Danvers and Kyle Rayner were new characters in the 90s. I had forgot about Kyle because he didn't start with an issue #1. But he went for about 100 issues starting with #51, didn't he?


Kyle, I don't even have to check. He had his own comic for years and years.

OK, so Kon-El, Tim, Linda, and Kyle are in. They all had strong followings so I can feel good about including them.


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    Checking your list again, if you're going to count Jack Knight/Starman, a new character inheriting an old legacy, you should probably count the ones I listed above.


OK. But regarding Jack Knight, I have to say, he was a radical departure from the original Star Man. He wasn't just some new guy who put on the costume and took the name. His series was a truly original creation.


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    Wait ... did we both forget about The Punisher? Oh, wait ... he's not a "super."


Frank was created in 1974.


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    I found another one. Steel/John Henry Irons, his series lasted 53 issues! Although a tech guy, he did eventually develop a super power too. He could teleport his armor on and off himself somehow as needed, enabling lightning-fast identity changes.


Wow! I would never have dreamed his series ran so long. But he definitely fits the parameters. Steel is in.

As for whether or not he was super - hey, we're including Tim Drake, so I guess my idea of a "superbeing" is pretty broad.

But really, if someone appeared in our real world who could fight like Tim Drake, or any other Bat-hero, we would all be thinking he was enhanced in some way, either chemically, genetically, or cybernetically. And if Steel appeared in our real world with his armor, we would be thinking his tech came from the future or from another planet.

When we finalize the list, we should come up with a better word or phrase than "superbeing" - although, at the moment, I'm not sure what word or phrase we would use. Maybe "amazing adventurer"?

Which triggered me to check another character and - Tomb Raider is in! Her comic started in 1999 and ran for exactly 50 issues!








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    I would count Hellboy. Hellboy The Fury issue 3 is issue 57 and says so in the book.



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    I think it's fair to discount every thing AFTER that like Hellboy In Hell and Hellboy and B.P.R.D. but there is a numbering scheme that is carried over from miniseries to miniseries and reflected on the introduction page consistently starting with The Wolves of Saint August as #5 (#1-4 were the Seed of destruction series) and concludes with The Fury issue #3 which was #57. Since the criteria was 50 I think Hellboy fits as the last regular issue of Hellboy was #57.


Superman's Pal was making a similar point. I guess we can go with that. Do you know if Hellboy was continually in publication pretty much monthly? I mean, they weren't taking six month breaks, were they?


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    Dark Horse has that thing where a lot of franchises miniseries have an introductory page that tells you what number that issue in the miniseries is within the overall series. For example Conan the Slayer #12 is issue #149 in the overall Conan series. Off the top of my head everything Conan or Mike Mignola related follows that pattern at Dark Horse.


It's an interesting way to handle things. I actually like what Marvel has recently experimented with - though I don't know if they'll stick with it - which is to keep the sequential numbering but announce with a huge "#1" when a new arc begins. Seems like the best of both worlds. But of course the silly fans who think a genuine number one will be worth money some day are going to fail to pounce.







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    Checking your list again, if you're going to count Jack Knight/Starman, a new character inheriting an old legacy, you should probably count the ones I listed above.



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    OK. But regarding Jack Knight, I have to say, he was a radical departure from the original Star Man. He wasn't just some new guy who put on the costume and took the name. His series was a truly original creation.

Actually, he was probably the first Starman to have his own title anyway. No, wait ... Will Payton. Just checked, only 45 issues. Close but no cigar.


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      Wait ... did we both forget about The Punisher? Oh, wait ... he's not a "super."



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    Frank was created in 1974.

I did not know that. I thought he was an '80s baby for sure.


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    When we finalize the list, we should come up with a better word or phrase than "superbeing" - although, at the moment, I'm not sure what word or phrase we would use. Maybe "amazing adventurer"?

Masked Avenger?


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    Which triggered me to check another character and - Tomb Raider is in! Her comic started in 1999 and ran for exactly 50 issues!

I had no idea.

I found another contender, but you may not count them since they are a group (but not a group with a rotating membership like the JLA or Avengers). How about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Their first series from Mirage ran 63 issues.



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    Actually, he was probably the first Starman to have his own title anyway. No, wait ... Will Payton. Just checked, only 45 issues. Close but no cigar.


It amazes me how many Star Man characters were introduced during our era.
Star Man

It also amazes me that I can't bring myself to use the "Starman" spelling. It just doesn't look right to me, despite being accurate.


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    I found another contender, but you may not count them since they are a group (but not a group with a rotating membership like the JLA or Avengers). How about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Their first series from Mirage ran 63 issues.


Nope. No groups.






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      I consciously excluded Hellboy because it never actually had an issue 50. Continuous monthly publication for 50 issues is the accomplishment I want to applaud here. I don't know if Hellboy actually achieved that. Another character I consciously excluded was Lady Death and for the same reason. I'm sure if all of her minis were tallied up she'd be well over the 50 issue mark. But to me that's not the same as continuous monthly publication.

    The interesting thing about Hellboy is that even though it came out as mini series and one-shots with their own numbering, on the inside front cover it carried an overall series number that continued from one mini to the next, I never saw any other comic do that. It was probably just to help readers determine the reading order. They didn't come out monthly though.



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    Lobo, before he had the ongoing had a run of minis and one-shots that came out pretty much monthly and probably equalled 50 issues. But he had the ongoing too so we don't need to worry about that.



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    I was thinking Azrael would make the list but it looks like his title conked out at 47.



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      Do you count new characters taking on an old mantle? Conner Kent/Kon-El Suberboy made it to 100. I think Tim Drake/Robin did too. Linda Danvers/Supergirl made it 75 I think.

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      Hmm. I hadn't seriously considered them. I'll have to think about it. I would have to include Kyle Richmond/Green Lantern and Wally West/Flash as well, which at that point just starts to seem silly to me. I gave She-Hulk a pass because before she existed there was no female jade giant - she was the original.

    Ah, but Wally West was a pre-existing character from the '60s. Kon-El, Tim Drake, Linda Danvers and Kyle Rayner were new characters in the 90s. I had forgot about Kyle because he didn't start with an issue #1. But he went for about 100 issues starting with #51.didn't he? For that matter you could look at Connor Hawke too. (EDIT: Just checked, Connor only lasted 37 issues as the star of Green Arrow).



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    Checking your list again, if you're going to count Jack Knight/Starman, a new character inheriting an old legacy, you should probably count the ones I listed above.



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        For that matter Transformers made it to 80 and G.I. Joe something like 140 at Marvel.

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        They're teams. I'd like to focus on solo characters.

      Fair enough. Although the G.I. Joe book eventually became "G.I. Joe Starring Snake Eyes" with the latter's name taking prominence in the logo.



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    Oh never mind. I see now that only lasted 10 issues.



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    Wait ... did we both forget about The Punisher? Oh, wait ... he's not a "super."



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    I found another one. Steel/John Henry Irons, his series lasted 53 issues! Although a tech guy, he did eventually develop a super power too. He could teleport his armor on and off himself somehow as needed, enabling lightning-fast identity changes.






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      I would count Hellboy. Hellboy The Fury issue 3 is issue 57 and says so in the book.

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        I think it's fair to discount every thing AFTER that like Hellboy In Hell and Hellboy and B.P.R.D. but there is a numbering scheme that is carried over from miniseries to miniseries and reflected on the introduction page consistently starting with The Wolves of Saint August as #5 (#1-4 were the Seed of destruction series) and concludes with The Fury issue #3 which was #57. Since the criteria was 50 I think Hellboy fits as the last regular issue of Hellboy was #57.



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    Superman's Pal was making a similar point. I guess we can go with that. Do you know if Hellboy was continually in publication pretty much monthly? I mean, they weren't taking six month breaks, were they?


Yeah it probably wasn't continually. The numbering in the Hellboy verse can get weird if you dwell on it.

For Hellboy a series of miniseries and one shots are included in the issue count. But there are plenty of other one shots and minis that aren't but they are still canon. Then there are one shots, minis and crossovers that aren't canon. Then there are all the spinoffs but their numbering is fairly consistent.


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      Dark Horse has that thing where a lot of franchises miniseries have an introductory page that tells you what number that issue in the miniseries is within the overall series. For example Conan the Slayer #12 is issue #149 in the overall Conan series. Off the top of my head everything Conan or Mike Mignola related follows that pattern at Dark Horse.



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    It's an interesting way to handle things. I actually like what Marvel has recently experimented with - though I don't know if they'll stick with it - which is to keep the sequential numbering but announce with a huge "#1" when a new arc begins. Seems like the best of both worlds. But of course the silly fans who think a genuine number one will be worth money some day are going to fail to pounce.


I think it works for Dark Horse because what is counted and what doesn't count doesn't seem arbitrary IMO. While Marvel's new renumbering doesn't seem consistent from character to character on what kind of stuff is and isn't counted towards the overall issue count.



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    Via Wikipedia and eBay I've come up with this list of superbeings created in the 80s or 90s whose solo titles reached issue 50:



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    She-Hulk
    Lobo*
    Savage Dragon
    Hellblazer (John Constantine)*
    Neil Gaiman's Sandman*
    Spawn
    Cable
    Darkhawk
    Deadpool
    Supreme
    Starman



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    * Denotes superbeings who arguably aren't "superheroes" which is why I used the term "superbeing" in the first place.



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    I came up with 11. Can you add to my list?



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    Marvel had 4, DC had 4, and Image had 3.


I guess specifying super beings rules out Tim Drake...curses. His buddies Superboy and Impulse make the cut with their solo series. And Azrael...I read all 100 issues of that and it was just so awful...I couldn't ever understand why that one lasted so long.






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I can't believe I forgot Impulse.

I didn't read all 100 of Azrael but I read the first 100 issues of Spawn and I would say it got awful after the 20s. Of course now it's still going strong after 200.



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    I guess specifying super beings rules out Tim Drake...curses. His buddies Superboy and Impulse make the cut with their solo series. And Azrael...I read all 100 issues of that and it was just so awful...I couldn't ever understand why that one lasted so long.


When I publish our final list I won't use the word "superbeing" any more. It rules out Tim Drake, as you say, and that's just too silly to be tolerated. Right now I'm leaning toward "amazing adventurer" as that seems broad enough to capture what I mean. Also, an amazing adventurer doesn't have to be a good guy, and in fact could fall anywhere on the Dungeons & Dragons scale, which is, as we all know, the best morality classification system ever invented since the dawn of time. See pic.

Impulse is in, by the way. Thanks for remembering him.

Oh, and guess who else is in? Deathstroke! His series ran to issue 65 and he was created in 1980!

Also, if Hellboy is in, then I guess the Tick should likewise get in. He never had an issue #50 but he had well over 50 issues.






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X-O Manowar from Valiant lasted 70 issues. They actually had two #50s numbered 50-X and 50-O.


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    X-O Manowar from Valiant lasted 70 issues. They actually had two #50s numbered 50-X and 50-O.


So I guess X-O was Valiant's most popular feature? It was always the one of theirs that tempted me the most - because it made me think of Iron Man.

I checked out the Omnibus on Amazon and it looks like the price is going down, which is good. I want it to come down a bit more before I buy it.
X-O Manowar Classic Omnibus

In any case - X-O Manowar is in!






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Well, the three heavy hitters Solar, Turok and Magnus all enjoyed similar runs I think. But X-O might have been their most popular homegrown talent. Man, I didn't dig deep enough. Bloodshot also ran 51 issues (or 52 if you count #0). What else have I missed?

Back to legacy characters like Tim Drake or Kyle Rayner. How about Dan Ketch as Ghost Rider? His 90s series ran 90-some issues, and he was arguably more popular than the the original run with Blaze.

Add one more: Dreadstar!


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    Well, the three heavy hitters Solar, Turok and Magnus all enjoyed similar runs I think.


All of those, of course, were created in the 50s or 60s.


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    But X-O might have been their most popular homegrown talent. Man, I didn't dig deep enough. Bloodshot also ran 51 issues (or 52 if you count #0). What else have I missed?


Bloodshot is in!


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    Back to legacy characters like Tim Drake or Kyle Rayner. How about Dan Ketch as Ghost Rider? His 90s series ran 90-some issues, and he was arguably more popular than the the original run with Blaze.


Ugh. These legacy characters. Feh. But OK. He's in. I think I'll make a special category for legacy characters.


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Definitely in!






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Not a costumed hero ...


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But he's an amazing adventurer! I let the Tick in, so Groo can join him. Despite being comedic, Groo certainly performs feats which, if they were done in our real world, would leave people speculating about technological enhancements.

By the way, Badger is also in, as he made it to issue #70! Likewise, Nexus is in, as he made it to issue #80! (Both characters had further publication afterward.)











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Rom, Spaceknight would fit all the criteria but missed the cutoff by one month. The first issue of his 75 issue run came out in December 1979. Shame.


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    But he's an amazing adventurer! I let the Tick in, so Groo can join him. Despite being comedic, Groo certainly performs feats which, if they were done in our real world, would leave people speculating about technological enhancements.



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    By the way, Badger is also in, as he made it to issue #70! Likewise, Nexus is in, as he made it to issue #80! (Both characters had further publication afterward.)


What about the Image comic character Supreme? Or Bone?





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X-Man. I think his title ran 75 issues.




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I think Lucifer would also make the cut?



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    What about the Image comic character Supreme? Or Bone?


Supreme is already in. Was Bone an adventure type story? I guess it must have been. But was he amazing or just cute?






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    X-Man. I think his title ran 75 issues.


Wow! I forgot this guy completely. But he's now in.








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    I think Lucifer would also make the cut?


Yes he would. And he's now in.

I tried out the TV show, by the way. Quit after the first episode, as Lucifer was being depicted as feeling compassion, which is the one thing that absolutely cannot be true.

I didn't read this comic but I'm wondering if I should have.
Lucifer according to DC/Vertigo






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