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His accomplishments at Marvel were actually pretty impressive. He went on to do other interesting things throughout our period. Here's the Wikipedia article:
Jim Shooter may not have been Darth Vader after all

From the article - regarding his Marvel tenure:

"With the quick turnover at the top, Shooter rapidly found himself rising in the ranks, and in 1978 he succeeded Archie Goodwin to become Marvel's ninth editor-in-chief.[18] During this period, publisher Stan Lee relocated to Los Angeles to better oversee Marvel's animation, television and film projects, leaving Shooter largely in charge of the creative decision-making at Marvel's New York City headquarters. Although there were complaints among some that Shooter imposed a dictatorial style on the "Bullpen", he cured many of the procedural ills at Marvel, successfully managed to keep the line of books on schedule (ending the widespread practice of missed deadlines), add new titles, and develop new talent.[19] Marvel enjoyed some of its best successes during Shooter's nine-year tenure as Editor-in-Chief, such as Chris Claremont and John Byrne's run on the Uncanny X-Men,[20] Byrne's work on the Fantastic Four,[21] Frank Miller's series of Daredevil stories,[22] Walt Simonson's crafting of Norse mythology with the Marvel Universe in Thor,[23] and Roger Stern's runs on both the Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man.

"In 1981, Shooter brought Marvel into the lucrative comic book specialty shop market with Dazzler #1.[24] Featuring a disco-themed heroine with ties to the X-Men (based upon an unproduced motion picture set to star Bo Derek),[25] the first issue of this series was sold only through specialty stores, bypassing the then-standard newsstand/spin rack distribution route altogether, as a recognition by Marvel of the growing comics shop sector. Subsequent issues of Dazzler, however, were sold through newsstand [returnable] accounts as well. Dazzler was the first direct sales-only ongoing series from a major publisher; other Marvel titles, such as Marvel Fanfare and Ka-Zar, soon followed.[19][26] Later that same year, Shooter wrote Marvel Treasury Edition No. 28 which featured the second Superman and Spider-Man intercompany crossover.[27] Additionally in 1981, Shooter was recognized as one of six "New Yorkers of the Year" by the New York chapter of the JayCees, for his "contributions toward revitalizing the comics industry and helping Marvel Comics achieve a new pinnacle of success."[2] Shooter also institutionalized creator royalties,[citation needed] starting the Epic imprint for creator-owned material in 1982; introduced company-wide crossover events, with Marvel Super Hero Contest of Champions and Secret Wars;[28] and launched a new, albeit ultimately unsuccessful, line named New Universe, to commemorate Marvel's 25th anniversary, in 1986.[29]

"Despite his success in revitalizing Marvel, Shooter angered and alienated a number of long-time Marvel creators by insisting on strong editorial control and strict adherence to deadlines.[17] Although he instituted an art-return program, and implemented a policy giving creators royalties when their books passed certain sales benchmarks or when characters they worked on were licensed as toys, Shooter occasionally found himself in well-publicized conflicts with some writers and artists. Creators such as Steve Gerber, Marv Wolfman,[30][31] Gene Colan,[31][32] John Byrne,[33] and Doug Moench left to work for DC or other companies.[30][34] Roy Thomas, who left Marvel following a contract dispute with Shooter, reflected in 2005 on Shooter's editorial policies:

"When Jim Shooter took over, for better or worse he decided to rein things in – he wanted stories told the way he wanted them told. It's not a matter of whether Jim Shooter was right or wrong; it's a matter of a different approach. He was editor-in-chief and had a right to impose what he wanted to. I thought it was kind of dumb, but I don't think Jim was dumb. I think the approach was wrong, and I don't think it really helped anything.[35]

"Shooter was fired from Marvel in 1987.[36]"






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I always thought that the most interesting part of Shooter's story was that he got a job at DC writing Legion of Super-Heroes when he was only 14, and still in high school. That's every kid's dream!


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It's telling that Marvel's decline didn't begin until after he left.




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I know. It really is fascinating. I know that DC had great success on TV with The Adventures Of Superman and Batman but can you imagine a 14-year-old today writing the characters that are the stars of huge blockbuster movies? It's telling as to how much the industry has changed.


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He looks downright evil in that banner!

I used to the like the cartoons on the Bullpen Bulletin's pages when he'd be so tall that they never showed his head.

I think right around 1983, when I was 13, was the pinnacle of Marvel Comics. I used to wonder if it was just because I was the right age, but the stories still hold up as classics. The comics from the 60's and 70's are true classics but they can also be parodied: the soap opera of the 60's and the goofy characters of the 70's, but the 80's are a perfect blend of stories that can be enjoyed by children and adults.


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    I always thought that the most interesting part of Shooter's story was that he got a job at DC writing Legion of Super-Heroes when he was only 14, and still in high school. That's every kid's dream!


I bet he lied about his age. He was probably already six feet tall!






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He presided over a legendary Marvel Age and seemed to run a pretty tight ship. He obviously alienated some big names, but he seemingly didn't prevent these talents from doing great work!

Plus, you know that anyone who was professionally writing Superboy when he himself was a boy has GOT to know comics inside and out.

And I will *always* enjoy the 2nd Superman/Spider-Man xover written by Shooter and drawn by John Buscema.


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    He presided over a legendary Marvel Age and seemed to run a pretty tight ship. He obviously alienated some big names, but he seemingly didn't prevent these talents from doing great work!


I get the sense that the "tight ship" is what alienated the big names. Which, by the way, I score as a win in the integrity column for Shooter. Comic books should ship on time. Period.


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    Plus, you know that anyone who was professionally writing Superboy when he himself was a boy has GOT to know comics inside and out.


I tend to agree.


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    And I will *always* enjoy the 2nd Superman/Spider-Man xover written by Shooter and drawn by John Buscema.


I haven't read it. Sounds like I should. I didn't want it to ruin the first one in my mind. The first one was possibly Gerry Conway's (and Ross Andru's) greatest accomplishment.

Shooter, from what I'm reading, was a solid combination of old school (the trains will run on time) and new school (he started making in-roads into the direct sales market and into creator-owned properties).

Incidentally, that other guy who so famously made the trains run on time was the original Fascist, a word used to slur Jim Shooter now and then. When Quesada became Editor in Chief, I vaguely recall John Byrne saying "You will start to see books shipping late" - but I can't find any confirming evidence for the quote on the internet, so maybe Byrne didn't say that. Nevertheless, we did begin to see books shipping late. It seemed Marvel would wait almost forever for some big name artist. I think that may be part of the reason Marvel pushes writers now instead of artists. Writers are almost never the reason a book is late. Unless they view themselves as movie producers first and comic book writers second, for example Kevin Smith.







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. . .it's a really fun book. Probably my favorite bronze age one-shot. Everything just feels. . .right.

Buscema's art is phenomenal; even though he said he didn't enjoy working on it or any superhero really besides Conan.

Yes, Shooter (and the bronze age) was a perfect blend of old school and new school. It straddled the lines perfectly and will always be my favorite age.


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I like Shooter's comics a lot. The Legion stuff, both Avengers runs.

Like others have said he was a teen when he got started. It seems like every kid's dream, but Shooter did it because he had to make money for his family.

I dont know why he ended up being such a hard ass as Editor in Chief. I guess he felt like if he let people get away with stuff that they'd be too demanding.

It is funny to see that Roy Thomas quote because the one time I met Thomas and Shooter they were at tables right near each other but I didnt see them talk to each other.

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