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Haven't read the BND stuff yet. Curious, though: Does Peter retain any memory whatsoever of his marriage to MJ? Seems to me that if Mephisto were being fiendish, he would remove the marriage's existence from reality, but leave Peter with the memory that he traded away happiness ...




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jwd




> Haven't read the BND stuff yet. Curious, though: Does Peter retain any memory whatsoever of his marriage to MJ? Seems to me that if Mephisto were being fiendish, he would remove the marriage's existence from reality, but leave Peter with the memory that he traded away happiness ...

No memory. As far as the Marvel Universe is concerned Peter and Mary Jane were never married.

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Pablo D.




> Haven't read the BND stuff yet. Curious, though: Does Peter retain any memory whatsoever of his marriage to MJ? Seems to me that if Mephisto were being fiendish, he would remove the marriage's existence from reality, but leave Peter with the memory that he traded away happiness ...
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Well, he has no memory that he signed the little piece of paper that said they were married. Everything else about their relationship, however, happened exactly the same for the most part. Peter and MJ still lived together, still separated briefly, etc. etc. etc.


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Nemo




> Haven't read the BND stuff yet. Curious, though: Does Peter retain any memory whatsoever of his marriage to MJ? Seems to me that if Mephisto were being fiendish, he would remove the marriage's existence from reality, but leave Peter with the memory that he traded away happiness ...
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He does do something like that, actually. He tells them both before the deal is consummated that there'll be some small part in both of their souls that will feel the pain of what was lost.

See? He really is fiendish. ;\-\)


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Smithville Thunderbolt




>Everything else about their relationship, however, happened exactly the same for the most part.

It happened the same, but what they remember is radically different from what happened.


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Pablo D.




> >Everything else about their relationship, however, happened exactly the same for the most part.
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> It happened the same, but what they remember is radically different from what happened.

No...I mean, when I say it happened the same, I mean it happened the same in their memories too. Everything was the same. Oh, of course, except whenever Peter and MJ make reference to being legally married.


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Smithville Thunderbolt




> No...I mean, when I say it happened the same, I mean it happened the same in their memories too. Everything was the same. Oh, of course, except whenever Peter and MJ make reference to being legally married.

What you are overlooking is that MJ has forgotten that Peter was Spider-Man, and he somehow thinks that she never knew. This alters their relationship to such a degree as to render the original stories moot.


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Pablo D.




> > No...I mean, when I say it happened the same, I mean it happened the same in their memories too. Everything was the same. Oh, of course, except whenever Peter and MJ make reference to being legally married.
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> What you are overlooking is that MJ has forgotten that Peter was Spider-Man, and he somehow thinks that she never knew. This alters their relationship to such a degree as to render the original stories moot.

Depends. I reckon, going by whatever it was that MJ said to Mephisto in Amazing #545, that she still might know and remember everything the way it was. I am willing to bet that she'll be the key to making things go back to normal, whenever it is that they do that.


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Comp




> > >Everything else about their relationship, however, happened exactly the same for the most part.
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> > It happened the same, but what they remember is radically different from what happened.
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> No...I mean, when I say it happened the same, I mean it happened the same in their memories too. Everything was the same. Oh, of course, except whenever Peter and MJ make reference to being legally married.

There's been some commentary to that effect, but it doesn't really hold up, what with Harry Osborn being alive, Liz Allen being out of the picture, Venom being neither Eddie Brock nor Mac Gargan (revealed in one of the interviews), and all kinds of other changes not explained by anything more than "magic."

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Smithville Thunderbolt




> Depends. I reckon, going by whatever it was that MJ said to Mephisto in Amazing #545, that she still might know and remember everything the way it was.

Many people have that theory, but I don't buy it for the following reason: the company is telling us "don't look back, look forward." They don't want us to think about the marriage-era. Having a prominent character remember that era defeats the purpose.

Besides, even if MJ remembers events as they happened, that doesn't mean Peter does, which still renders the original stories radically different from how he remembers them.


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