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Clone Saga news coming soon, per Brevoort's blog

http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry/1491


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Pengi





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    Clone Saga news coming soon, per Brevoort's blog



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Been expecting something since the latest Marvel Spotlight solicitation. Probably going to do some big chunky collected editions like Panini did in France, though hopefully they won't skip so much material (though you can hardly blame them given the length of the storyline).


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Jim M





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    Been expecting something since the latest Marvel Spotlight solicitation. Probably going to do some big chunky collected editions like Panini did in France, though hopefully they won't skip so much material (though you can hardly blame them given the length of the storyline).


God I hope they do it, and they get everything or almost everything to the point where a few issues are hopefully easy to find that may be missing. I don't care if it's $100 or even $200 I would probably buy it. The clone saga brings back so many fond memories and being able to read it ALL without missing an issue would be worth every penny to me. I should really look into some sort of guide and see what issues I have and what issues I still need to buy, and maybe go out and see if I can collect them if they don't do it for me in a tpb.


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As much as the Clone Saga was pretty good, yet controversial at the same time, I really don't see any point of bringing any of that stuff back. Leave it alone Marvel!






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Pengi





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    As much as the Clone Saga was pretty good, yet controversial at the same time, I really don't see any point of bringing any of that stuff back. Leave it alone Marvel!


The you are forgetting all the Ben Reilly fans. I definitely want him back, so... yeaaay Marvel, bring him back!!!



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DXD




You never know...maybe the assumption of an omnibus is wrong...maybe it will be a new story altogether...or some kind of re-tell of how the clone saga worked based on the events of OMD/BND.


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    Here's how they did it in France:



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    http://www.bulledair.com/index.php?rubrique=album&album=spiderman_saga_clone



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    Two 900 page volumes. And they still left out a lot!





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AndrewG





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Can't wait. I don't think they'd mention the Clone Saga in the solicit or show the Scarlet Spider on the cover if it wasn't for something big. And even if the news only relates to some sort of Clone Saga omnibus I'm still optimistic about Ben and Kaine's chances to come back because typically a company like Marvel and DC are going to put out a trade of something to get people interested and caught up on a story so they're prepared for what's coming up.

I may have to change the ending of Life of Reilly, heh.


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mjyoung





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Quesada already said that BND changed one more big thing that we don't know about that is unrelated to the marriage. There were originally 3; Harry's return, the undoing of the unmasking, and one yet to be revealed. I think this is how it went.

Of the Marvel spotlight, the Scarlet Spider was on the cover. We can assume this means he is the most important. The Torch was also in the spotlight, and he is getting an 8 issue miniseries. So I would assume it's something greater or equal to that.

A collection of the Clone Saga doesn't make much sense. The first is because it was written more than a decade ago. Each year that goes by will mean less and less demand. Unlike other older reprint material, this would be the first time this material was reprinted.

The Clone Saga is also a huge storyline, which would make it really hard to put into a collection. It was a long running subplot in the book for years. You are talking about at least 24 issues of the four main Spider-Man titles, and all the various minis and one shots associated with it.

But let's assume that Marvel does have plans to reprint the series.

Two other recent examples of Marvel doing huge collections were the X-Men's AOA and Onslaught storylines. But these storylines were much more limited. And even then, both of these collections were released in after a miniseries. Onslaught Reborn was released a year after the "X-Men: The Complete Onslaught Epic Book 1". Age of Apocalypse got a sequel miniseries, followed up a year later with the "X-Men: The Complete Age of Apocalypse Epic Book 1".

It just makes so much sense to bring the character back, there is obviously demand for it. Same reason you put Obama on the cover. Any potential problem could easily be solved (based in San Fransisco?, etc). It would be a great way to get back many of the readers who left Amazing over the years, without turning anyone off. Make his return a 6 issue arc in ASM and I think at the least you will see an increase in 20K units for the first issue.


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As much as I sympathize with your position, Ben Reilly disintigrated into dust. I honestly cannot fathom them bringing him back. A 'follow-up' to the clone saga doesn't necessarily mean Ben's coming back to life; it could mean Kaine comes back (which would make a lot more sense since, you know, he didn't turn into a pile of dust). It could deal with what really happened to Baby May. Hell, Judas Traveller could come back. I too would love to see Ben back (and maybe even in his own title, set, like you said, in some other city) but I think it's far too much to hope for beyond some sort of flashback story, like the recent Spidey/X-Men mini.

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Dave Phelps





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    As much as I sympathize with your position, Ben Reilly disintigrated into dust. I honestly cannot fathom them bringing him back. (SNIP) I too would love to see Ben back (and maybe even in his own title, set, like you said, in some other city) but I think it's far too much to hope for beyond some sort of flashback story, like the recent Spidey/X-Men mini.


I honestly don't see the point of bringing Ben back, especially since what he was supposed to bring to the table is now covered by Peter himself, but it would be easy enough to bring him back in the wake of OMD:

Since Pete and MJ weren't married, they took additional precautions and she never got pregnant. So they didn't leave New York for Portland, Peter never temporarily lost his powers, etc., which could have lead to a chain of events where Ben never died. He just decided that New York didn't need two Spider people so he decided to go back on the open road. And, for some upcoming story, he decides to come back.


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Daniel (First)





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I think that the return of Ben Reilly is one of the few resurrections that fans actually WANT to see rather than groan and day ‘oh, no…! They brought him back’ etc. (well, maybe a few, there is always going to be a minority not liking or liking an idea). Ben has been killed off twelve years ago and the majority of Spider-fans are still saying to bring him back!

Having Scarlet Spider on the cover of Spotlight and now with the talk about a ‘Clone Saga’ trade/s would have to be considered as a big indication of Marvel planning Ben’s return to the MU and therefore would want to refresh him to older fans and introduce him to the newer ones. If not, then why the sudden interest by Marvel about this character they killed off more than a decade ago? Also the recent X-Men/Spider-Man mini-series could have been testing the waters how fans would react by seeing Ben in comics once again.

The Clone Sage was huge, but as already stated, so was Onslaught,
They could easy adopt this formula and reprint all this stories by breaking them part in ‘acts’ and have them come out in different volumes.

With the milestone #600 coming up and it is said to be as thick as a mini trade, it would be perfect place to show Ben return again! Most likely we will see him back then after we would get a mini telling us how he survived and what he has been doing with himself all this time.

As I have mentioned in previous posts and also mentioned by those below, despite Ben turning to dust after he died, the only way that I can think of Marvel bringing Ben back would be having OMD alter the chain-of-events and Ben survived. He could have survived somehow and when he realised that Peter and MJ thought he was dead, he saw this as the perfect opportunity to get out of their lives. Most likely he went back to his nomadic ways and possibly eventually resettled in another city and lived life as just plain ol’ Ben. Perhaps he retook his position and worked in a Coffee shop?
It would take a major event like DR to make him don his red and blue costume again, especially seeing Norman Osborne of all people being hail as a hero and now ‘top cop’ of the MU with all the political stroke backing him up. That definitely would be a trigger…

I see Doc Ock getting the upper hand over Parker and at the last moment Scarlet Spider moves out of nowhere and saves Peters bacon! Very fitting having the return of ‘a’ Peter Parker to the MU by having him interact with the original Spider-Man arch-enemy!

I can’t wait…!!!!



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mjyoung





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    As much as I sympathize with your position, Ben Reilly disintigrated into dust. I honestly cannot fathom them bringing him back. A 'follow-up' to the clone saga doesn't necessarily mean Ben's coming back to life; it could mean Kaine comes back (which would make a lot more sense since, you know, he didn't turn into a pile of dust). It could deal with what really happened to Baby May. Hell, Judas Traveller could come back. I too would love to see Ben back (and maybe even in his own title, set, like you said, in some other city) but I think it's far too much to hope for beyond some sort of flashback story, like the recent Spidey/X-Men mini.


Let me say that I'm not trying to bring emotional or even subjective arguments to this discussion. I'll admit that I am of fan of the Scarlet Spider probably because most importantly that storyline was just taking off when I started reading comics. But I'm not going to inject my personal perspective here (or at least not as a major point).

But what are the real objections and obstacles for his return? It's comics, so any story of his return could be done easily. A simple solution would be to just re-clone him with the same memories. In comics we've seen multiple characters return from events where we didn't think a resurrection would be possible. Look at Harry Osborn's return for example. I would argue that there was less demand for Harry's return that there is for Ben's.

Why would Marvel do a re-print of the Clone Saga? Demand. Same reason they would return Ben Reilly back to the comics. Is the demand out there enough? I don't know, but I think it's worth trying.

Let's say that issues 610-616 in ASM is the return of Ben Reilly, with the average promotion going for it (interviews with the creators about the story, Scarlet Spider on the covers, etc). That story is going to see a jump in readers, mostly from fans of the SS, but also from fans curious to see how Marvel handles his return. We can play around with the numbers, but I think of increase of 20K is probably reasonable for the first issue. But there would be no disadvantage, no risk. Very few, if any, people will drop issue 610.

So you really have a situation where his return results in a high reward (20K increase in sales for 6 issues?), with no risk.

But a reprint of the Clone Saga (let's assume in similar format to the AOA epic titles of 4 volumes) is a huge risk. Remember that collections carry a huge risk because they aren't print to order. Marvel has to print much higher than the initial orders to ensure that demand a year after publication can be matched. So Marvel is going to have Clone Saga books sitting in a warehouse to meet that future demand.

There are also other risks involved, like the fact that the Clone Saga has never been reprinted, that it's a 15 year old storyline, etc.

Could this be the return of Kaine or other Clone Saga characters? It's possible, but the return of Kaine wouldn't be as big of a deal as the return of the Scarlet Spider. Why would Marvel leave money on the table?

I'm just not seeing the disadvantages to his return.


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AndrewG





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    As much as I sympathize with your position, Ben Reilly disintigrated into dust. I honestly cannot fathom them bringing him back. A 'follow-up' to the clone saga doesn't necessarily mean Ben's coming back to life; it could mean Kaine comes back (which would make a lot more sense since, you know, he didn't turn into a pile of dust). It could deal with what really happened to Baby May. Hell, Judas Traveller could come back. I too would love to see Ben back (and maybe even in his own title, set, like you said, in some other city) but I think it's far too much to hope for beyond some sort of flashback story, like the recent Spidey/X-Men mini.



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They can take the very easy way out by saying he never died in the first place. The first way to go about this is to say that Osborn replaced Ben with a clone of a clone right after the Amazing Spider-Man issue where he got zapped by Osborn and the Ben in PP 75 was a clone of Ben (a 2nd generation clone which is why it disintigrated). The 'real' Ben was held captive somewhere but alive.

The second is the clue about the Mephisto deal changing one other key thing about Peter Parker's life other than what we already know (the marriage). Most people think it means the pregnancy (which could have changed the way the Clone Saga played out) or the entire Clone Saga itself.

That's just off the top of my head. It's comics. There are any number of ways a character can come back to life.


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mjyoung





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    The second is the clue about the Mephisto deal changing one other key thing about Peter Parker's life other than what we already know (the marriage). Most people think it means the pregnancy (which could have changed the way the Clone Saga played out) or the entire Clone Saga itself.


Marvel is never going to reference that again. It's the "Cousin Oliver" of the Spider-Man comics. I think Quesada even basically said that "I don't think it happened, but we aren't going to talk about it ever again".

If could be the Stacey kids, which will have to be changed some day. But I don't know if this would fit into the "major" classification.


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