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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Spider-Man renews his vows? Posted Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 10:42:03 am EDT (Viewed 40 times) |
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http://www.newsarama.com/22589-spider-man-summer-2015-teaser-now-marvel-s-just-f-in-with-you.html
This past Tuesday afternoon Spider-Man writer Dan Slott tweeted this warning to Marvel readers: "Set your watch. Your next Spider-Man related freak out is on the way."
Slott wasn't just whistling Dixie. EW has premiered Marvel's latest "Summer 2015" teaser (which we're still convinced are all related to Secret Wars) and it's another callback to an iconic and now controversial moment in Spider-Man history - his wedding to Mary Jane Watson in 1987's Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21, undone in 2007's One More Day storyline ... but with a twist.
The image (which also includes the copy "Renew Your Vows") doesn't just call out the wedding, but seemingly suggests an alternate reality in which MJ's and Mary Jane's child wasn't seemingly mysteriously abducted by Norman Osborn (Mary Jane believed the baby was stillborn) and pretty much never heard from in the 616 again, much to the chagrin of Spider-Man fans at the time. There was, of course, another alternate universe where she grew up as Mayday Parker and became Spider-Girl, in the MC2 world, but even there we didn't see a modern-day Spidey and MJ raising her as a younger child.
Freak out en-gaged...
There's no telling how big a role each of these teasers will presumably play during Secret Wars, but if Marvel is suggesting the mystically annulled marriage and return of his living daughter is in play, it confirms that every past Marvel story and continuity thread is indeed on the table as the publisher has promised and there is no telling what Marvel may change or restore in the post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe.
For Amazing Spider-Man current writer Dan Slott's part, he says, "I've officially been told to stay off the internet [today]." He followed up posting the teaser image on his own twitter account (with only the hashtag #SpiderManRenewYourVows in the text of the tweet) with a simple message. "Signing off for the day. My one & only comment: AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #9 Part 1 of #SpiderVerse Out next Weds.  "
Slott also, stoking the teaser fires, changed his twitter profile picture to the original wedding cover to your left, and his header image to the teaser. He did the same on facebook.
The walls of time and reality are already breaking down all over the MU, and if Secret Wars brings all the fracturing to a resolution and incorporates popular concepts like say Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099 and Miles Morales all in one reality, and possibly even restores Spider-Man's daughter into things, it's hard not to start thinking about the future of the Marvel Universe without using the term "reboot."
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Grey Gargoyle
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Subject: Hmmm, I may be cynical but ... Isn't it a good way to mess with readers' heads and make them buy the books ? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 01:21:14 pm EDT (Viewed 209 times) |
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I mean .... OMD happened in 2007 and people are still reading the ASM book in 2014.
Since :
(1) currently, Spidey deals with alternate realities;
(2) the new Secret Wars will be about that, as well;
why not create a buzz around the "return of the marriage and little May", even if, at the end of the story the 'statu quo' is the same after that, on Earth-616 ?
Thus, people will buy the books because they want to know what will happen.
Somehow, I don't believe that Marvel will erase all their previous bad stories only to return their flagship character to the problematic status that he had before 2007.
Wouldn't it be easier to create an Earth-One where Peter is single and an Earth-Two where Peter & MJ are married ?
I mean, we are talking about the same creative team who just killed the Peter & MJ of the MC2 universe ...
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Unstable Molecule

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 01:25:00 pm EDT (Viewed 196 times) |
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That image makes me sad. I'd love to read stories about that Peter Parker. The guy who let his life progress. The guy who wasn't a loser. The guy who could get the girl, and be a responsible husband and father.
I'm going to go re-read the Straczynski era...
"It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices." – Albus Dumbledore
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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Unstable Molecule] Posted Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 05:51:17 pm EDT (Viewed 194 times) |
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The funny thing here is that I do think "One More Day"/"One Moment in Time" needs to be addressed and resolved. The fact of Peter Parker having made a deal with Mephisto, which included in its stipulations misery for both Peter and Mary Jane (or something like that), is a major hanging storyline from my point of view. Whether or not the marriage is ever brought back, Peter really should, somehow, get the edge on Mephisto and free himself from the deal.
I suspect this is not Dan Slott's intention.
-Comp
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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 07:24:25 pm EDT (Viewed 174 times) |
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First off, I sincerely doubt that Dan Slott intends to undo the Mephisto Mindwipe.
That being said, if Marvel itself has FINALLY realized the tremendous negative fan backlash of that poor excuse for a story and its lame follow up, and they FINALLY decide that it must be undone, then it is well past time that they undo it.
Also if this alleged Secret War really is a reboot instead of yet another soft reboot/alleged reboot then again it is past time for that as well.
There have been times where Marvel has soft-rebooted by only rebooting certain characters, example: Heroes Reborn/Return while the rest of the MU and characters suffer on.
Too many characters are messed up or were dealt stupid resolutions, case in point the recent revelation of what happened to Richard Ryder in the Guardians, or of course the Mephisto Mindwipe, or the temporary revivals of Capt Mar-Vell because Marvel is too chicken to bring him back for good.
So yes, here's hoping for total reboot, but may it be more logically planned out then the many reboots of DC.
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Menshevik

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 04:27:26 am EDT (Viewed 187 times) |
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Quote: http://www.newsarama.com/22589-spider-man-summer-2015-teaser-now-marvel-s-just-f-in-with-you.html
Quote: This past Tuesday afternoon Spider-Man writer Dan Slott tweeted this warning to Marvel readers: "Set your watch. Your next Spider-Man related freak out is on the way."
Quote: Slott wasn't just whistling Dixie. EW has premiered Marvel's latest "Summer 2015" teaser (which we're still convinced are all related to Secret Wars) and it's another callback to an iconic and now controversial moment in Spider-Man history - his wedding to Mary Jane Watson in 1987's Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21, undone in 2007's One More Day storyline ... but with a twist.
At another site the teaser picture is juxtaposed with a picture of Lucy holding the football and waiting for Charlie Brown to kick it:
http://fuckyeahmelancholy.tumblr.com/post/101386018596/two-pictures-are-worth-a-thousand-words-about-how
That's probably a good metaphor for my feelings at the moment. I'm 98 per cent sure that the ball is going to be yanked away at the last moment and our hearts will once again be broken, but I am to some extent hooked and may actually end up buying the issues in question anyway just on the 1-2 % chance.(1) I'd feel a lot more optimistic with a different creative and editorial team given the past form of the one in charge of Spider-Man now...
(1) It should be noted that Charles M. Schulz in one year actually did not have Lucy pull away the ball at the last moment. Unfortunately Charlie missed and accidentally kicked Lucy's head.
Quote: The image (which also includes the copy "Renew Your Vows") doesn't just call out the wedding, but seemingly suggests an alternate reality in which MJ's and Mary Jane's child wasn't seemingly mysteriously abducted by Norman Osborn (Mary Jane believed the baby was stillborn) and pretty much never heard from in the 616 again, much to the chagrin of Spider-Man fans at the time. There was, of course, another alternate universe where she grew up as Mayday Parker and became Spider-Girl, in the MC2 world, but even there we didn't see a modern-day Spidey and MJ raising her as a younger child.
Two notes:
1. Mayday is a brunette, the daughter shown on the teaser image is a redhead, so it seems likely to me that she is a different person (conceived and born some time after Peter and Mary Jane lost baby May), maybe even the potential daughter we saw during OMD.
2. We got some glimpses of Peter and MJ raising little Mayday in the "Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man" stories by Tom DeFalco in Spider-Man Family.
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Menshevik] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 10:56:15 am EDT (Viewed 14 times) |
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Quote: Two notes:
1. Mayday is a brunette, the daughter shown on the teaser image is a redhead, so it seems likely to me that she is a different person (conceived and born some time after Peter and Mary Jane lost baby May), maybe even the potential daughter we saw during OMD.
It could be just as simple as that the May Parker II in this timeline has red hair.
Just assume that Peter and MJ passed down a different assortment of genes in one timeline than they did in the other.
Reverend Meteor
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Menshevik

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 11:23:08 am EDT (Viewed 140 times) |
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Quote:
Quote: Two notes:
1. Mayday is a brunette, the daughter shown on the teaser image is a redhead, so it seems likely to me that she is a different person (conceived and born some time after Peter and Mary Jane lost baby May), maybe even the potential daughter we saw during OMD.
Quote: It could be just as simple as that the May Parker II in this timeline has red hair.
Quote: Just assume that Peter and MJ passed down a different assortment of genes in one timeline than they did in the other.
Well, if they passed down a different assortment of genes then it would not be Mayday; I merely pointed out that the Newsarama article is leaping to conclusions when it says it is likely that baby May-616 was not abducted, killed or stillborn in the new reality. Judging by the size of the girl I would even say it is not impossible - assuming that the family portrait is set in the present and not in the (near) future - that this red-headed daughter was born before the date baby May was (it always is difficult with the sliding time-scale).
Another thing: If Aunt May will still be around after the next world-changing event (reboot) next summer, I would hazard a guess that Peter and MJ's red-headed daughter could have a different name from May, possibly Mary (after Peter's mother) or Madeline (after MJ's).
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Dragon Red

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 02:25:24 pm EDT (Viewed 165 times) |
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Wow, that's like dangling food in front of somebody very hungry then pulling it away again.... I am most dubious of this thing.
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Menshevik] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 02:25:53 pm EDT (Viewed 12 times) |
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Quote:
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Quote: Two notes:
1. Mayday is a brunette, the daughter shown on the teaser image is a redhead, so it seems likely to me that she is a different person (conceived and born some time after Peter and Mary Jane lost baby May), maybe even the potential daughter we saw during OMD.
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Quote: It could be just as simple as that the May Parker II in this timeline has red hair.
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Quote: Just assume that Peter and MJ passed down a different assortment of genes in one timeline than they did in the other.
Quote: Well, if they passed down a different assortment of genes then it would not be Mayday; I merely pointed out that the Newsarama article is leaping to conclusions when it says it is likely that baby May-616 was not abducted, killed or stillborn in the new reality. Judging by the size of the girl I would even say it is not impossible - assuming that the family portrait is set in the present and not in the (near) future - that this red-headed daughter was born before the date baby May was (it always is difficult with the sliding time-scale).
Right she's not Mayday. She's another May Parker but she has inherited being a red head from her mother and she had a very different childhood...Presumably.
I guess my point is this storyline in no way has a responsibility to show this May is a reflection of Mayday. I wouldn't want it to honestly. I was very much interested in the MJ pregnancy story during the clone saga yet I never once followed the Mc2 universe. This story isn't about MC2...it's about Peter and MJ never having lost their daughter...Presumably.
Granted I might be jumping the gun. In the clone saga Peter was planning to retire and leave the webs to Ben so he could raise his daughter. This timeline that has this new May may not have even had Ben because it looks like Peter is still Spider-Man.
Quote: Another thing: If Aunt May will still be around after the next world-changing event (reboot) next summer, I would hazard a guess that Peter and MJ's red-headed daughter could have a different name from May, possibly Mary (after Peter's mother) or Madeline (after MJ's).
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Dragon Red] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 02:27:13 pm EDT (Viewed 20 times) |
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Quote: Wow, that's like dangling food in front of somebody very hungry then pulling it away again.... I am most dubious of this thing.
Marvel is trolling their own fans at this point.
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Dragon Red

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Subject: Re: Spider-Man renews his vows? [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Fri Oct 31, 2014 at 03:17:21 pm EDT (Viewed 157 times) |
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I'll pick it up, and read it certainly. But I am not, like the other guys hoping for a miraculous undoing of Brand New Day and the current Spider-Man continuity.
Trolling? Maybe. Or, it could be genuinely "Throwing us a bone." so to speak. Either way however, its... ugh... I don't know. I don't want to be negative about it, but I cannot help myself. I just suspect strongly Marvel is not looking to give us back the marriage.
I often ask myself, would I be happier if Peter and MJ got divorced? And again, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. Answering that is like posting on the battle board. Pure speculation mostly.
At this point I am genuinely becoming really disillusioned with Marvel accross the board.
-Spider-Man and deals with the devil
-A new Hulk who is a rather amoral.
-Thor replaced by a girl.
-Almost 10 Avenger titles.
-Fantastic Four seemingly winding down...
I am so close to just saying, screw it, and ditching the whole thing. I honestly hope this upcoming comic is not the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back.
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Subject: This would bring me back [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 01:08:11 am EDT (Viewed 20 times) |
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I was a huge fan of the "reboot" (2001) era as well as the clone saga. I left at "One more day", then came back for a brief stint with that story line that created "Anti-Venom" (can't remember the title of that story line right now, though I really liked it) then haven't bought another spider-man comic since.
THIS would bring me back though.
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Subject: Wait a minute........WHAT???? [Re: Grey Gargoyle] Posted Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 01:10:12 am EDT (Viewed 175 times) |
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Who killed the pete and mj from the MC2 universe?? Who could do such an awful thing???
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Subject: Re: New Ways To Die Is Probably The Storyline That You're Thinking About. [Re: Ben McClintock] Posted Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 12:21:22 am EST (Viewed 120 times) |
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It introduced Anti-Venom, so it sounds like a sure bet. What's going on with Brock these days anyway?
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Grey Gargoyle

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Subject: Re: Wait a minute........WHAT???? [Re: oldspideyfan] Posted Tue Nov 04, 2014 at 12:28:18 pm EST (Viewed 124 times) |
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Who killed the pete and mj from the MC2 universe?? Who could do such an awful thing???
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Dan Slott in the latest issue of ASM
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