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Sethno

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Subject: CRISIS ON EARTH-X Posted Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:31:52 am EST (Viewed 267 times) |
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"There are 52 Karas".
If that's the case, then why haven't we seen the one from the Flarrowverse? Has she not gone public? Did Krypton not explode?
I'm also wondering why in the world we haven't seen Earth-X's Superman. (Overman?) Could HE now be the leader of Earth-X, since their Hitler died over 20 years ago?
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Knight

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Sethno] Posted Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:44:38 am EST (Viewed 210 times) |
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The showrunners themselves have said they aren't interested, at this time, to explore the version of Kara that might exist in the Arrowverse.
It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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The Black Guardian
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Sethno] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:54:42 am EST (Viewed 211 times) |
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53.
Could be any reason she hasn't been seen. Maybe she didn't end up with the Danverses, so she's one of the other million or so Karas in the world. Maybe she landed in Russia. Maybe the Kryptonians missed Earth "by that much," and she landed on Mars. Maybe she's still stuck in the Phantom Zone with Earth-1 Rox prison. Maybe she just died on Earth at a young age. Maybe she just doesn't care enough to play hero.
Earth-1 also doesn't seem to have a Superman. So maybe no one survived Krypton. Or maybe Kal-El landed somewhere else.
Anyway...
Overall, I really enjoyed the crossover. I even didn't mind watching Arrow. My only complaints are the first 45 or so minutes of the story (almost the entire Supergirl episode) was boring as heck. A lot of nice moments, but still... boooooring. The only "highlight" was Alex getting her something something.
The other complaint is that often the fights were just so painfully scripted. For instance, one that stands out, is when Nazis have Iris and Felicity at gunpoint. Iris has time to screw around with something to distract the Nazis, and the women disarm them. Eyerollingly bad. Many other times, heroes are just standing around and bullets are miraculously missing them. BUUUUUT... it's all in good fun. Best not to look behind the curtain.
Prof went out like a real champ! WTG, Grey!
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X enjoyed the Superman 2 easter egg [Re: Sethno] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:04:56 am EST (Viewed 202 times) |
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Supergirl hovers in front of the evil Waverider
"General! Would you care to step outside?"
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Sethno] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:14:52 am EST (Viewed 221 times) |
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Quote:
"There are 52 Karas".
Quote: If that's the case, then why haven't we seen the one from the Flarrowverse? Has she not gone public? Did Krypton not explode?
Quote: I'm also wondering why in the world we haven't seen Earth-X's Superman. (Overman?) Could HE now be the leader of Earth-X, since their Hitler died over 20 years ago?
No for some odd reason Oliver Queen of all people became the fuhrer of Earth X. If I was Earth 1 Oliver that would probably keep me up at night. That the guy running the Nazi earth was another Oliver. Like of all the people on earth it could possibly be his other self was the one who rose to the top on a planet filled with evil people. I'm just going to assume the other Nazis were amazed at Oliver's skill with the salmon ladder and everyone on Nazi earth just said yep that's our fuhrer.
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:20:54 am EST (Viewed 188 times) |
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Which brings up a question:
heredity or environment?
Are the people of Earth X naturally evil ala the Star Trek Mirror Universe or is it just that they were raised that way due to the Axis winning the war?
Sure there are prisoners and a resistance, but that is a natural thing to see in a tyranny.
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:32:36 am EST (Viewed 182 times) |
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Quote: Could be any reason she hasn't been seen. Maybe she didn't end up with the Danverses, so she's one of the other million or so Karas in the world. Maybe she landed in Russia. Maybe the Kryptonians missed Earth "by that much," and she landed on Mars. Maybe she's still stuck in the Phantom Zone with Earth-1 Rox prison. Maybe she just died on Earth at a young age. Maybe she just doesn't care enough to play hero.
Quote: Earth-1 also doesn't seem to have a Superman. So maybe no one survived Krypton. Or maybe Kal-El landed somewhere else.
Maybe I misheard Eobard but from what he said he made it sound like he did fight Superman in his timeline (which is the future of the Arrowverse earth 1 timeline I guess give or take a time revision here or there). So to me it sounds like by the time of Eobard's future at least they know about Kryptonians.
Maybe Clark and Kara haven't made it to earth yet in 2017 Earth 1. Maybe that doesn't happen until much further in the future.
Maybe the future Mon-El went to is Earth 1 future and they will encounter their own Supergirl and/or Superman.
Reverend Meteor (but that's a lot of maybes)

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:10:39 pm EST (Viewed 203 times) |
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Quote: Maybe I misheard Eobard but from what he said he made it sound like he did fight Superman in his timeline (which is the future of the Arrowverse earth 1 timeline I guess give or take a time revision here or there). So to me it sounds like by the time of Eobard's future at least they know about Kryptonians.
You heard right.
He said he'd not only encountered him, but was faster than him.
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Subject: Re: Just watched the first episode last night. Can't wait to watch the rest!... [Re: Sethno] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:31:56 pm EST (Viewed 164 times) |
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Rory sleeping at Barry's wedding was so funny! I was laughing so hard, I had to pause it until I'd calmed down.
PPP
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Ancient One] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:29:48 pm EST (Viewed 190 times) |
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No. He was talking about future Earth-38 Superman.
And we already knew this story.
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:37:01 pm EST (Viewed 176 times) |
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Quote: No. He was talking about future Earth-38 Superman.
I thought Eobard said they fought in HIS timeline not Clark's.
Quote: And we already knew this story.
Clearly me and Ancient One do not so enlighten us with the details.
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:45:28 pm EST (Viewed 186 times) |
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The only ways I can accept Nazi Kara are:
1. Earth-X Krypton was massively screwed up even worse than Earth.
2. Massive brainwashing. Red K or something similar.
3. Earth-X Kara's history is largely different with her being shipped to Earth as an infant instead of 12 years old.
Our Kara was 12 and her ethics and moralities were largely formed before coming to Earth. Being on Earth really hasn't changed her much. I really don't think a person can become a Nazi unless the seeds were there during very early development (approx. birth to 5 years old).
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:05:46 pm EST (Viewed 185 times) |
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Quote:
Quote: No. He was talking about future Earth-38 Superman.
Quote: I thought Eobard said they fought in HIS timeline not Clark's.
It wasn't explicitly stated, but they were talking about her actual cousin, not some other Kara's cousin on another Earth.
Eobard: Your cousin. Really? Fun tidbit. I fought your cousin once. In the future. He is fast. I'm faster.
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Quote: And we already knew this story.
Quote: Clearly me and Ancient One do not so enlighten us with the details.
Wasn't there a hint in early S1 Flash?
Also, it was Eobard's plan that this whole thing was centered around this particular Kara attending the wedding. He clearly has a ton of knowledge about Earth-38.
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Sethno

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:46:29 pm EST (Viewed 189 times) |
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I was wondering the same thing.
Of course, I hadn't seen parts three and four when I posted, and still haven't seen them yet. Tonight and possibly tomorrow night.
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:49:16 pm EST (Viewed 170 times) |
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Quote: Eobard: Your cousin. Really? Fun tidbit. I fought your cousin once. In the future. He is fast. I'm faster.
Quote: Also, it was Eobard's plan that this whole thing was centered around this particular Kara attending the wedding. He clearly has a ton of knowledge about Earth-38.
You're right on the money, but Thawne doesn't tell us where the fight took place. Was it Earth-38? Earth-1? The original Earth-1 timeline? Earth-X? Earth-C?
And we know that Thawne isn't the only one who can cross dimensional boundaries. Flash can do it, so can Cisco, Gypsy, Zoom, The Ray...and Supergirl. So did Reverse Flash travel to Earth-38? Or did Superman borrow Kara's dimension-hopping device and go to Earth-1?
Perhaps there's a reason both super-cousins turn up? The Crisis is on it's way, after all.
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Ancient One] Posted Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 11:51:54 pm EST (Viewed 180 times) |
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I'm thinking that RF does both a light of time travel and dimension travel. I suspect he meant that he fights the Superman of Supergirl's Earth in that Earth's future.
or one possible future at least.
Also RF is pretty good at mixing lies and truths.
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 02:51:13 pm EST (Viewed 162 times) |
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I was thinking, maybe the Crisis yet to come WILL cause a merging of the Arrowverse and the Supergirl universe.
RF MIGHT have been able to visit the Earth BEFORE the merging, somehow.
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Reverend Meteor

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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Gernot] Posted Fri Dec 01, 2017 at 09:21:18 am EST (Viewed 153 times) |
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Quote: I was thinking, maybe the Crisis yet to come WILL cause a merging of the Arrowverse and the Supergirl universe.
Quote: RF MIGHT have been able to visit the Earth BEFORE the merging, somehow.
I thought they said they didn't have plans to merge the two (or is it 53) universes?
Personally I don't see the point of merging the two universes. They've established a multiverse and these characters have interacted for a few seasons now. Kara and Alex popping over to an alternate timeline for a wedding is just the type of goofy stuff I expect from these shows.
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liheibao

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Subject: That was a lot of FUN!!!! [Re: Sethno] Posted Fri Dec 01, 2017 at 08:15:24 pm EST (Viewed 160 times) |
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R. I. P. Kato: A good friend to one who has so few
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: That was a lot of FUN!!!! [Re: liheibao] Posted Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 10:03:51 am EST (Viewed 145 times) |
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And builds in a way to have Smallsville Supes, or dean Cain Supes arrive to assist Kara!
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Subject: Re: CRISIS ON EARTH-X [Re: Reverend Meteor] Posted Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 10:05:23 am EST (Viewed 148 times) |
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I would have thought that actually Bruce Wayne would be ther one to take over as leader, as a way to eliminate all crine!
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