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Knight


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SOURCE: https://www.thoughtco.com/top-times-superman-beat-up-batman-3152428

And here are my thoughts.

1. I'm glad the article brought it up because so many Batman fans think Batman beat Superman during the Hush storyline when that is not true at all. But since this is on a list of 9 times Superman beat Batman, it's not a win for the Kryptonian either. The fight ended inconclusively, even if Batman admitted that Superman could have killed him (oddly enough, most Batman fans miss that part).

2. Another inconclusive result in Superman: Red Sun. How is this a win?

3. Maxwell Lord mind controls Superman so that Clark thinks he's fighting Darkseid instead of Batman. Now this one is a legitimate win even though mind control was involved. This also shows that if Superman really wanted to win against Batman, Bruce Wayne wouldn't stand a chance.

4. Technically, Superman wasn't fighting Batman because the Kryptonite Man had taken over Bruce's body. While it's an impressive win for Superman, the entire fight was P.I.S. because the Kryptonite Man should have won. Superman was basically being exposed to a man sized chunk and Kryptonite and he barely feels a thing. That is just BEYOND stupid.

5. Sorry, but even if Superman could have won in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, the fact of the matter is: he didn't. Moving on...

6. Sorry, but Batman was not KOed by Superman when the Black Rock took control of Batman. Bruce may have been beaten black and blue but it's not a win. Especially since Batman immediately began helping Superman take care of the real enemy right after his possession from the Black Rock.

7. In Superman's first meeting with Batman in the New 52, the website laughably proclaims that the Flash interrupted the fight between Superman and Batman. And then the website claims it's a win for Superman. Excuse me?! How is this a win for Superman? The fight got interrupted, thus it ended inconclusively.

8. Agreed. Superman DID beat Batman pretty easily in Batman: The Dark Knight #5.

9. Batman broke the Bat in Injustice. Was it a win? I don't know since Batman was still conscious afterwards.

And with that done, I really have to bring into the question how the majority of these are wins for Superman when many of these fights ended inconclusively without a clear winner.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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liheibao


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    And with that done, I really have to bring into the question how the majority of these are wins for Superman when many of these fights ended inconclusively without a clear winner.


Well. . .


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    9. Batman broke the Bat in Injustice. Was it a win? I don't know since Batman was still conscious afterwards.


If you're questioning the result on this one, I think you're answering your own question. ;\)





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The Black Guardian

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    2. Another inconclusive result in Superman: Red Sun. How is this a win?

He forced Bruce into a choice between suicide and pulverization. Bats chose suicide. That's a win.


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    5. Sorry, but even if Superman could have won in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, the fact of the matter is: he didn't. Moving on...

Very, very clear defeat for Bats and win for Supes.


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    6. Sorry, but Batman was not KOed by Superman when the Black Rock took control of Batman. Bruce may have been beaten black and blue but it's not a win. Especially since Batman immediately began helping Superman take care of the real enemy right after his possession from the Black Rock.

Another clear win. You don't need to be KOed to lose.


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    7. In Superman's first meeting with Batman in the New 52, the website laughably proclaims that the Flash interrupted the fight between Superman and Batman. And then the website claims it's a win for Superman. Excuse me?! How is this a win for Superman? The fight got interrupted, thus it ended inconclusively.

Batman was basically throwing in the towel when Flash broke it up.


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Knight


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    He forced Bruce into a choice between suicide and pulverization. Bats chose suicide. That's a win.


That was Batman's choice, not Superman's. The only "victory" is Batman's since he robbed Superman the chance to finish him by committing suicide. Not a win for Superman. Read the comic.


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    5. Sorry, but even if Superman could have won in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, the fact of the matter is: he didn't. Moving on...

    Very, very clear defeat for Bats and win for Supes.


How so? When the fight ends, both opponents are still standing. In fact, I read the comic and the scene cuts away to Lex Luthor. So the last thing we see is Batman and Superman having a stare down. Batman wasn't even down on the ground. He was simply staring at Superman by the end of that fight. Batman didn't even look battered and bruised. That's like claiming Mike Tyson won a fight by pounding on the guy, the other dude tries fighting back and then the bell rings with both opponents still standing having a stare down. No offense, but that's ridiculous. No one wins a fight by having a stare down when both opponents are still standing. No one. It's not a win. Read the comic.


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    6. Sorry, but Batman was not KOed by Superman when the Black Rock took control of Batman. Bruce may have been beaten black and blue but it's not a win. Especially since Batman immediately began helping Superman take care of the real enemy right after his possession from the Black Rock.

    Another clear win. You don't need to be KOed to lose.


Batman may have been beaten black and blue, but he was still conscious and still fought afterwards. Not a win. The only "win" Superman gained here was getting the Black Rock off of Batman. Read the comic.


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    7. In Superman's first meeting with Batman in the New 52, the website laughably proclaims that the Flash interrupted the fight between Superman and Batman. And then the website claims it's a win for Superman. Excuse me?! How is this a win for Superman? The fight got interrupted, thus it ended inconclusively.

    Batman was basically throwing in the towel when Flash broke it up.


Read the comic. Batman did no such thing. The inner dialogue of the comic makes it clear Batman wanted to talk, Superman didn't. Batman fought only because he was forced to. Not a win.

Did you even read these comics? I suggest you do so because Superman did not win a large majority on this list and I have debunked every single one of them that is clearly not a win. Take the time to read these comics before trying to claim they are wins. They are clearly not.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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dblackstar2002


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The entire idea of Batman vs Superman is silly! The only reason Batman wins past the first fight, Is because people who write him were once fans! The only way Bat's wins past the firs fight, Is to make Superman a complete idiot!!!!


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Mikel Midnight


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    The entire idea of Batman vs Superman is silly! The only reason Batman wins past the first fight, Is because people who write him were once fans! The only way Bat's wins past the firs fight, Is to make Superman a complete idiot!!!!


I view it differently. The reason Batman always beats Superman, is that for Superman to beat Batman is simply TOO EASY. He could do it in a microsecond and then the story is over. It's more interesting to think of a scenario in which this nonpowered guy somehow defeats this near godlike entity.



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JesusFan


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Batman can be shown able to defeat Superman due to lmpwing hisweaknesses, have means to exploint them, and he know Clark will not go all out to stop him!


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JesusFan


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Think that any real fight would end up pretty much as it did in the Justice league movie, "do you bleed"


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dblackstar2002


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Again, It is not realistic just fandom run amuck. If you want to tell a story at least make it plausible! Only in extreme fandom is a normal human, no matte how smart he is capable of defeating someone with god like power. And that god like person would have to be an idiot to loose with so much at his disposal.....


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dblackstar2002


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I never found this plausible! Lex Luthor has tried to kill this guy for years, Years with no success! He is easily one of if not the smartest guy on the planet! The only reason Batman is so successful Is fan like period!!!!


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The Black Guardian

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      The entire idea of Batman vs Superman is silly! The only reason Batman wins past the first fight, Is because people who write him were once fans! The only way Bat's wins past the firs fight, Is to make Superman a complete idiot!!!!



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    I view it differently. The reason Batman always beats Superman, is that for Superman to beat Batman is simply TOO EASY. He could do it in a microsecond and then the story is over. It's more interesting to think of a scenario in which this nonpowered guy somehow defeats this near godlike entity.

Plot induced stupidity is never interesting. It's never interesting to see the nonpowered guy given a fake victory. It's like giving away trophies for participation, because we all know that every single one of them is a jobbing.


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The Black Guardian

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I've read all of these. You seem to have this very weird idea that a win means Bats is down or dead by Supes' hands. No. Just... no.


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    That was Batman's choice, not Superman's. The only "victory" is Batman's since he robbed Superman the chance to finish him by committing suicide. Not a win for Superman. Read the comic.

He robbed Superman of nothing, because Superman was the reason he suicided. Bats made that choice, why? Because he was defeated. Win for Superman.


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    How so? When the fight ends, both opponents are still standing. In fact, I read the comic and the scene cuts away to Lex Luthor. So the last thing we see is Batman and Superman having a stare down. Batman wasn't even down on the ground. He was simply staring at Superman by the end of that fight. Batman didn't even look battered and bruised. That's like claiming Mike Tyson won a fight by pounding on the guy, the other dude tries fighting back and then the bell rings with both opponents still standing having a stare down. No offense, but that's ridiculous. No one wins a fight by having a stare down when both opponents are still standing. No one. It's not a win. Read the comic.

IOW, it ends with Batman basically admitting defeat. Superman wins.


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    Read the comic. Batman did no such thing. The inner dialogue of the comic makes it clear Batman wanted to talk, Superman didn't. Batman fought only because he was forced to. Not a win.

Batman states factually that they cannot win. That is throwing in the towel. The idea that it's not a win for Superman is absurd.


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Knight


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    I've read all of these. You seem to have this very weird idea that a win means Bats is down or dead by Supes' hands. No. Just... no.


I can say the same about you. Obviously you don't watch boxing or the MMA. You win either by knockout, fight stoppage or submission. In comics, things are different (obviuusly). A win is either by knockout or when the other guy is too hurt to continue. This is the last time I reiterate what I keep saying to you. The majority of these are, simply put, not wins in Superman's favor. Not by a long shot. You have continually failed to make a convincing argument while I have successfully debunked every one of your attempts with sound logic and reasoning that the comics themselves tell us both in the comics that you "claim" to have read. How you can see, and read, the facts that are clearly presented as anything other than "no wins" for Superman is beyond me when the comics clearly state otherwise.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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