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Knight


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Would you say Ultraman is every bit as powerful as Superman himself? I know what my opinion is, but I just want to know what yours is.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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liheibao


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I'm really not sure. Ultraman should be comparable, but aside of one questionable act, Superman seems to have the upper hand. That, and there are different versions of Ultraman, the last of which was clearly at a disadvantage.




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Daveym 

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As I understand it technically he is Superman's direct physical peer yes, with a 'but' attached to it... as the way his powers are granted and sustained means he is inherantly going to be variable.
Superman is kept stable and at an even performance level by his constant exposure to the Sun, Ultraman's power on the other hand is very different - being granted solely by regular exposure (or ingestion) of Kryptonite. Naturally then if he expends too much energy, or if he hasn't had access to Kryptonite in some time, he is weaker than Superman. On the other hand if he has recently binged on the green stuff, or if he has strategically implanted Kryptonite injections as he once did in Kurt Busiek's Justice League run, then he would be stronger that Superman.

If anything then a confrontation with Ultraman might well come down to a simple stamina equation - can the person in question match him long enough to tax his power and therefore begin to diminish it as he burns through his Kryptonite fuel...?






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Gernot 

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So, someday Ultraman may JUST get smart and wear a Kryptonite ring or something?



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Knight


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What is most curious is the fact that in the Pre-Flashpoint Continuity (Supergirl #7 to be exact), Ultraman is seen using machines to bombard him with solar energy in order to keep himself powered up in Kandor. So Liheibao is right, there is more than one version of Ultraman. Either that or the writer forgot that he's powered by Kryptonite.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Daveym 

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Heh! Well, As I understand it, in whatever incarnation, he drains Kryptonite of its radiation, so a rock or a Ring would give him fuel for only a finite period. Since most Kryptonite exists only in small chunks he has to search out new supplies on occasion, and if he ever found a large chunk of it then clearly that would keep him fuelled for a considerable time in theory.... in many ways as Geoff Johns showed in 'Forever Evil' the character is essentially close to being a drug addict, forever in search of his next 'fix'.




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Daveym 

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That's right, there are more than One version of Ultraman and the Crime Syndicate, or rather there have been.

Grant Morrison reintroduced them in his Earth-2 special and had Ultraman as earthman Clark Kent, who was a space pilot who encounters aliens while on a mission into space and they rebuild him into a Superman who needs a rare exostic mineral called Kryptonite to remain powered. Geoff Johns' Earth-2 features a Crime Syndicate that is all but identical to Morrison's, but we note his Ultraman is now Kal-el's doppelganger - Kal-il. Rocketed from a dying Krypton (destroyed by the Anti-Monitor's gradual attack and decimation of this universe as we discover), and sent to earth to adopt a life of evil and wanton thuggery while posing as Clark kent, alongside Superwoman's Lois Lane. Like any other Ultraman he needs Kryptonite, unlike others however he must stay away from sunlight as, in a neat inversion of Superman vs Kryptonite, it will drive the Kryptonite radiation from his cells and leave him powerless and in agony.

This Ultraman and his Crime Syndicate are all but gone after Geoff Johns has finished with his Justice League run and the Darkseid versus Anti-Monitor storyline. But without a doubt another earth will be found out there and a new and almost identical Crime Syndicate to be found on it...




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JesusFan


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I think his greek K under the skin injections gave him poowers for couple of weeks, so other person needs to really fight a smart one against him!

Wasn't His weakness though in the one run the Sun itself, as He caused a Lunar eclipse to stay powerful?


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JesusFan


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Which version snorted Greek K, and then demolished Black adam?


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JesusFan


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He would need to find a planet literally made up of the stuff to live on


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    Wasn't His weakness though in the one run the Sun itself, as He caused a Lunar eclipse to stay powerful?


As I remember it Ultraman was seeking out all Kryptonite on earth in a bid to prepare for the unseen opponent who had destroyed his earth and universe, and so was powerful enough to be able to regularly adjust the position of the earth's moon to keep it blocking the sun, which as the final issue showed sapped him of its power if he was in its light directly.







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Daveym 

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The version introduced by Geoff Johns in his dreary 'Forever Evil' series.
On the face of it that version of the Crime Syndicate isn't any different to the Grant Morrison versions, but on closer inspection their origins tended to differ slightly and there were some extra members who died off-panel who weren't around in any of the previous versions...




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Daveym 

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Well yes, true!

It is one of the weaknesses of Johns' Ultraman concept. When Johns showed off Ultraman's origin in the Justice League title we saw him borrow from the old Superman stories aas Kal-il's rocket exits a space-warp along with a large Kryptonite shower that rains down on earth.
Logically though if he needs the stuff to regularly restore his powers the laws of supply and demand would surely take their toll on availability... as with the finer points of he and the earth-3 premise you really can't think on it all too much. \(fear\)




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JesusFan


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So he would be similiar to the Russian Zod, as the yellow Sun would take care of both of them?


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JesusFan


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Is that version still around?


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JesusFan


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Wonder if synathic Greek K injecting thru his costume work?


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