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Comicguy1


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I don't know, but ever since he returned, I've really disliked the character. He seems borderline sociopath, at least in some stories. Different writers seem to have written him as more sympathetic and loving towards Thor and Loki, but how has he evolved? I haven't read the majority of the Silver Age stories, but he did seem like kind of a jerk in those stories, too. He did seem to genuinely love Thor, though. I guess that it depends on the writer. He seemed pretty noble under Simonson. Thanks.


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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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He has always been pompous in the sense of being something of a jerk to mortals. Or the general arrogance of immortal sorts of beings. One could argue he had reason but that does not change him being Pompous.

I think that in the last period of time (and not just because of Aaron) he has become more easy to dislike. He is less regal, noble and comes off like he is not necessarily doing what is in the best interest anymore. Or at least trying to.

He has always had varying tempers but he has gotten worse in that respect. Just like there has always been some degree of conflict between Thor and Odin. It has been much more open and hostile in the last decade or so than it was initially. Where one could argue that it was generally affectionate but with differences because of love interests and whatever.

IMO, it is more with a changing time and dynamic than anything else. One sees that in really all comics from different periods where we see that time period reflected. I would prefer that gods and the like remain more constant but given humans are writing and are not writing in a vacuum these things happen.




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seeker


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,860


Like bd2999 typed, Odin has always been pompous and had the general arrogance immortals are shown having toward mortals. One could say he is entitled to it.

Odin has always been a passionate emotional being. Quick to anger yet quick to mercy. While he was always a hardass it was often with good or at least understandable reasons. And balanced out by showing a more noble, softer side.

It was only in the last ten years or so he became the unlikable tyrant Aaron and recent writers have portrayed him being.

Odin has always been a bit of a problem. You have to include him in the Thor mythos. Yet he is so overwhelmingly powerful combined with his concern with Thor that writers have to figure out ways to keep him from quickly ending the story. Making him and unreasonable hardass has been one way. But he has never been this bad in the past and there is no need for it.

The current Odin is so bad I can't see how he could have ever produced such loyalty in Thor or the Asgardians or avoided either running his kingdom into the ground or being overthrown.


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Upper_Krust


Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
Posts: 238



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    I don't know, but ever since he returned, I've really disliked the character. He seems borderline sociopath, at least in some stories. Different writers seem to have written him as more sympathetic and loving towards Thor and Loki, but how has he evolved? I haven't read the majority of the Silver Age stories, but he did seem like kind of a jerk in those stories, too. He did seem to genuinely love Thor, though. I guess that it depends on the writer. He seemed pretty noble under Simonson. Thanks.


Odin has changed (in the past decade) from being the ALL-WISE, Benevolent Monarch who loved his son, his people and indeed all innocent life (in fact Odin was a Champion OF LIFE in many ways) to the embodiment of the PATRIARCHY - a blustering, gestating tyrant capable of genocide without a second thought.

In the early days he represented a proud father figure who would scold Thor for his hubris* and warn Thor against loving a mortal woman (likely to save Thor the heartache of watching Jane die of old age while Thor barely aged)**

*Note the Blake punishment in the first place
**Note how Odin gives Jane the power of an immortal...but she is found unworthy

Modern Odin is a 'posterboy' for a WHITE, MALE, AUTHORITY FIGURE. Thus he is portrayed by the recent writers (Fraction and Aaron) as a hatemonger, pilloried and chastised (by the 'vastly superior' women around him*), not to mention sexually shamed as well (another favoured tactic of the Left).

*To reinforce the 'women good, men bad' narrative being spun (under Alonso era Marvel) as part of the Feminist Agenda.

In fact to expound on that further Odin's portrayal is to highlight:

- Men are Tyrants
- Men are Morally Inferior
- Men are Violent
- Men are Weak
- Fathers are Bullying
- Families are Irrelevant
- Women should be in charge
- Women don't need Men
- Women are Strong

So in essence he went from 'curmudgeonly' Lovable FATHER FIGURE to 'foaming' impotent NAZI TYRANT.




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makkari1


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 3,562



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    I don't know, but ever since he returned, I've really disliked the character. He seems borderline sociopath, at least in some stories. Different writers seem to have written him as more sympathetic and loving towards Thor and Loki, but how has he evolved? I haven't read the majority of the Silver Age stories, but he did seem like kind of a jerk in those stories, too. He did seem to genuinely love Thor, though. I guess that it depends on the writer. He seemed pretty noble under Simonson. Thanks.


 This is true for  any character. If the writer likes the character then that character will receive good treatment, but when the writer has a known disdain for a character than they will be a jerk. I can say this is not the character that Stan and Jack created.





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makkari1


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 3,562



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      Quote:
      I don't know, but ever since he returned, I've really disliked the character. He seems borderline sociopath, at least in some stories. Different writers seem to have written him as more sympathetic and loving towards Thor and Loki, but how has he evolved? I haven't read the majority of the Silver Age stories, but he did seem like kind of a jerk in those stories, too. He did seem to genuinely love Thor, though. I guess that it depends on the writer. He seemed pretty noble under Simonson. Thanks.



    Quote:
    Odin has changed (in the past decade) from being the ALL-WISE, Benevolent Monarch who loved his son, his people and indeed all innocent life (in fact Odin was a Champion OF LIFE in many ways) to the embodiment of the PATRIARCHY - a blustering, gestating tyrant capable of genocide without a second thought.



    Quote:
    In the early days he represented a proud father figure who would scold Thor for his hubris* and warn Thor against loving a mortal woman (likely to save Thor the heartache of watching Jane die of old age while Thor barely aged)**



    Quote:
    *Note the Blake punishment in the first place
    **Note how Odin gives Jane the power of an immortal...but she is found unworthy



    Quote:
    Modern Odin is a 'posterboy' for a WHITE, MALE, AUTHORITY FIGURE. Thus he is portrayed by the recent writers (Fraction and Aaron) as a hatemonger, pilloried and chastised (by the 'vastly superior' women around him*), not to mention sexually shamed as well (another favoured tactic of the Left).



    Quote:
    *To reinforce the 'women good, men bad' narrative being spun (under Alonso era Marvel) as part of the Feminist Agenda.



    Quote:
    In fact to expound on that further Odin's portrayal is to highlight:



    Quote:
    - Men are Tyrants
    - Men are Morally Inferior
    - Men are Violent
    - Men are Weak
    - Fathers are Bullying
    - Families are Irrelevant
    - Women should be in charge
    - Women don't need Men
    - Women are Strong



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    So in essence he went from 'curmudgeonly' Lovable FATHER FIGURE to 'foaming' impotent NAZI TYRANT.


I not buying comics so than can reflect the current culture we live in. The characters are fantasy and I want them as such. They way things are being written today is a far departure from what Stan and Jack intended. The direction that Thor and his supporting cast has left a bad taste in my mouth and I long for the day when this current group of editors and writers are long gone.




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swmcbf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 2,976


You  are correct this  version  of  Thor,Odin,  and all  things Asgard  have no relevance  to the  pre-8th  universe.  I expect that is true of all the  Marvel  universe .   This new version will  play out its  hand until  the next  reset  which  is unfortunate because it sucks rotten lemons.  I think  Marvel and  D.C.  are  using the four to five year template  and maybe they are right in that the old way of  numbering is antiquated  resulting  in  new #1s  with  higher sales in the short run  then  do it all again.  That  is the only  way it makes any sense  but  that doesn't  make it  any more  palatable.  


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