Okay so issue 705 is supposed to be it, Jane is said to perish in that issue, and we are all hoping the hammer goes back to the real THOR and he is restored.

We've seen images of what appear to be THOR with a golden prosthetic arm and golden hammer. Supposedly a new hammer but.....

What if in the final fight with Mangog the cosmic storm is freed from Mjolnir and merges with jane? She is no longer THOR but becomes one with the storm or some such garbage, and the hammer now being cleansed of the storm turns golden in color and it returns to THOR and we learn that THOR's doubts caused the storm to take control of the hammer thus he and ODIN couldn't wield it.

After all, Stormbreaker is made of the same uru as Mjolnir yet is golden in appearance....

I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marvel needs an across the board douching of the last three plus years.

I think Thor's new golden hammer and arm is from Adamantine. This metal is from the Greek Gods and is the material made out of Hercules mace.

Remember in issue 702 or 703(if I remember correctly), Jane asked for Hercules help in the War of Realms. After Mangog rekts Thor and Odin, I think Odinson's arm shattered. Hercules would probably take him to Olympus and get him an Adamantine arm and hammer.

1. Odin dies at the hands of Mangog.
2. Thor has his metal arm destroyed.
3. Jane becomes Thor one last time and throws Mjolnir into Mangog's mouth.
4. Mjolnir/The cosmic storm sacrifices itself and the resulting explosion kills Mangog.
5. Without Mjolnir, Jane reverts to her mortal form with only moments to live.
6. Dr Strange freezes her in time to prolong these last few breaths
7. Dr Strange creates a new hammer from the amber liquid of the Fates, but it has no power source
8. Thor (the real Thor) sacrifices his immortal life to fuel the hammer to save Jane, his new golden arm binds him to the golden hammer
9. Jane is given the new hammer, saving her life, the hammer has the personality of Thor; however...
10. ...when Jane summons (the power of) Thor with this new hammer SHE switches places with him, meaning He is free while She becomes the personality of the hammer.

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1. Odin dies at the hands of Mangog.

I don´t know why but I think exactly the same.

I'm sure it's going to be several more years before I buy this title again.

To be fair, pending the incarnation of Strange one could argue he is more powerful than whomever. Sort of depends on the day and depiction for Strange.

Agree on ALL your points!!!!!!!!!!

Where was it stated or implied it was a godblast?


To a point with the Dr. Strange thing. I would argue that apart from Odin, Thor, Hela the gods in general are not really that powerful. At least not in a world of super heroes. They are all minor bricks with good fighting ability but could be downed by all sorts.

Odin is probably in line with the beings Strange calls power down from. That said, in some ways he has pretty uber showings on such beings if he is ready. I am not sure, as a fan of Strange, I am generally cool with him being able to remake the hammer but he has fixed it before.

I am not sure I totally agree that Aaron has made the gods less powerful. As he gave Thor some pretty epic feats. He had Odin cut off one of the realms of existence by himself and beat and imprison a storm that gave the PF pause.

Just saying, it is very much a mixed bag of things. That said, an argument that Odin being so much more powerful than the others causes an issue and always has. Seeker sort of states it elsewhere on the board already. I agree with it in general.

That said, Odin is not in a bubble. Other powerful entities suffer through the same things. Galactus, Celestials, the Pheonix and so on. It is not like Odin is in a bubble or unique in the sense of having fluctuating power levels at the convinience of the story. I would argue the Celestials have had it worse more recently.

Its genetic, not communal property, so Freya shouldnt get it......

I think the idea that this leak is authentic is highly unlikely. I haven't read the newest issue. I imagine some of this is already old news. But first, it's doubtful that Aaron's script would be leaked in the first place. It's possible, but from what I understand that script doesn't actually see a lot of different hands. But moreover, most of these predictions look more likely just that: predictions. Most of these points just look like what you could infer based on the trajectory of the story. And the stuff that's more surprising here look more like a mix of fantasies and fears of the internet fanbase.


1. Odin dies at the hands of Mangog.

LGDB: This is just an easy to predict outcome. I don't know if Odin's going to die, but he's definitely going to get his ass kicked, and that's made likely because we have 3 issues til the story resolves and their fight appears to come in the next issue.


2. Thor has his metal arm destroyed.

LGDB: Well Thor's going to fight Mangog with his dad apparently and they're probably going to get wrecked. Destroying the arm (a new addition that's easy to dispose of but would still look impressive) is an easy to predict outcome.


3. Jane becomes Thor one last time and throws Mjolnir into Mangog's mouth.

LGDB: This seems derivative of how Thor defeated Mangog in the Jurgens run. It's something a fan who was attentive to previous fight records and outcomes would think of, but not necessarily a writer like Aaron. But Jane become Thor one last time to fight the big bad, sure that's a easy thing to predict.


4. Mjolnir/The cosmic storm sacrifices itself and the resulting explosion kills Mangog.

LGDB: Could be. People are expect this particular "Checkov's Gun" to get used in a big way; so the idea of it being used like a nuke to take out the otherwise unkillable big bad is a good guess. And the Mother Storm's power has already been hinted at when it repelled the Phoenix.


5. Without Mjolnir, Jane reverts to her mortal form with only moments to live.

LGDB: This wouldn't be a spoiler after the fact. This is just common sense. If she's going to die (which it appears she will) it'll be after powering down from Thor and dying right after.


6. Dr Strange freezes her in time to prolong these last few breaths

LGDB: This seems just kind of out of nowhere to me. Of course it's possible. Aaron was up until recently working on Dr. Strange. But you could also see why a fan would come up with this theory. Doc Strange has been in the zeitgeist a bit more with the popularity of his movie, and more to the point the recent Doc Strange cameo appearing in Thor: Ragnarok could easily put this in people's head. I would also be surprised if this happens, just because Dr. Strange hasn't so much appeared in Aaron's run. It'd be kind of bizarre for him to swoop in just to do this, especially when Aaron has plenty of other sorcerer characters to choose from in Asgard that he's already been using. I think if Doctor Strange was going to appear ex nihilo to do this kind or crucial plot stuff, he'd have already been introduced into the title and been given some reason to be there.

7. Dr Strange creates a new hammer from the amber liquid of the Fates, but it has no power source

LGDB: Cool idea I guess. I doubt they're just going to get rid of Mjolnir, but it's possible. But again Doc Strange doing it is doubtful. Not only that, in Strazinski's run Doctor Strange fixed the hammer, so there's precedent that fans would care about, that writers often don't.


8. Thor (the real Thor) sacrifices his immortal life to fuel the hammer to save Jane, his new golden arm binds him to the golden hammer
9. Jane is given the new hammer, saving her life, the hammer has the personality of Thor; however...
10. ...when Jane summons (the power of) Thor with this new hammer SHE switches places with him, meaning He is free while She becomes the personality of the hammer.


LGDB: This all just seems really convoluted. And as much as some people don't like his work for the choices he's made and the things he's tried to establish, Aaron's plot structures and character have concepts have been pretty simple and clean. The hammer's switch out and have different people's personalities, and there's a character swap, and someone's trapped in the hammer, but it's a new a hammer. Conceptually it's a bunch of arbitrary qualities and ideas just bunched together. Plus it's convoluted and diffusing in terms of the climax of the story because both Thor and Jane sacrifice themselves, story-wise this is unlikely as Thor also sacrificing himself would take away from Jane's sacrifice. Furthermore the male female gender swap stinks of certain fans fears, more than an engine for story telling. And this is even less likely given that Marvel (however quietly) has appeared to make the editorial decision to move away from its more dramatic social justice narratives. The above doesn't seem like it was written by someone who was thinking about the needs of a story or editorial concerns, but someone who was concerned with the physical state, power level, and status of their favorite concerns.


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I embellished and expanded upon the known details (for instance I don't know exactly how Jane defeats Mangog etc.)




As I understand it, the person who leaked it said he heard it last month from a Marvel employee over a few drinks.

Could be bogus - guess we find out in 2 months time.




That bit was from me. However, (in my defense) it was based on the leaked information that Dr Strange creates (or in some way creates) the new hammer.




Well we know Thor has a new Golden Arm and Golden Hammer in 2018 - based on the Marvel preview art.




This was my own embellishment to be fair.

But the leaked information says there is a new hammer constructed so likely Mjolnir is destroyed and with Aaron putting the Storm into Mjolnir it seems logical this is how things pan out.




Well at this point we know the Destroyer can't defeat Mangog. We have to assume Odin can't defeat Mangog either - otherwise what use would Jane be. So if Jane is to save the day it has to be something to do with the Cosmic Storm inside Mjolnir.




Agreed.




This was another bit of embellishment from me.

The leaker DID say that Strange helps/creates the new hammer (and he is seen with Jane in the recent issues). So if Mjolnir is destroyed and Jane reverts to her human form and is about to die, surely he can't create the hammer instantly.




The bit that really perked my curiousity and made me think the story was real was the detail about the Amber liquid of the Fates and the fact that the new arm and hammer are golden.

It could be that the destroyed Mjolnir (once the storm is freed/destroyed) is reforged (by Strange) with the Amber liquid of the Fates.




The way the leaker explained it, this was Marvel's way to appease Jane fans (since the reception for the comic is one of Marvel's best) AND still bring Thor back.

marvel could always turn and say "psyche" there is no gold arm or hammer for THOR and restore to him the real Mjolnir minus this cosmic storm crap.

Or Marvel was planning on the gold arm and hammer and is aborting the plan.

Once upon a time in the 90's the Ghost Rider altered his costume into a horrid neon suit that made fans cringe. a few issues later it was magically changed back to what it was.

At this point I'd settle for even a magic wave of the hand to restore THOR, GOD OF THUNDER! Now where are the Celestials....?

But the current situation is that Marvel have not received any negative backlash over the return of Thor with a gold arm and hammer.

Most disgruntled fans will just be happy to see Thor back starring in his own comic after the past 3 years!

So there is no reason to believe the new arm/hammer is a fake.

Then again, they did lie to us over the War Thor preview (grey beard and eye-patch).

I rechecked the issue and it was a anti-force.



I'll agree that the average Asgradian is weak compared to the major hitters of that race. Marvel had a problem with the Asgardians in the sense that there would be an entire "world" or being near or onThor's level. This is the problem DC has with Superman and the other Kryptonians. You can have a world of beings all like Superman so a few would be selected to focus on and the rest would be watered down and made into cannon fodder. After all you can't have thousands/millions of super heroes running around. 




My pet peeve is the overuse of high end beings like Odin, Galactus, and other high end beings. Over the years they get watered down to fit the story thus giving the impression that they are weak. Yes Odin is very much in line with the beings that Strange invokes but he is routinely brought down to near Thor's level.




That's the inconsistency that writers inject into their stories. In one story Odin can do things off the charts and the next story he can't even put down Jane or control his own creation. Aaron has depowered Odin in the sense that he changed Mjolnir's origin with this cosmic storm. All these years it the was the Odin Force that empowered Mjolnir to insane levels but now its the storm doing the heavy lifting and not the Odin Force. Just because A can defeat B and B can stalemate C doesn't mean that A can stalemate C. The Odin now is not the Odin of decades ago.




That's how Stan and Jack wrote him. Odin was the Deus ex Machina that solved crazy stuff but now he is slightly above Thor.




I totally agree and don't get me started on the Celestials. who are not the punching bags of the cosmic beings. Even the OAA in shown (not showing up) as not in charge but kinda left things to run on their own. This is the problem, cosmics are over used and when that happens you get watered down.

He used to be able to do stuff like that.

Except this is a cancer death, so if Odin can do it for her, why not captain Mar-Vell?

Odin doesn't care about Mar-Vell and may not even know who he is?