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Reverend Meteor


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Some of my favorites.

Gul Dukat (Star Trek DS9)
Weyounn (DS9)
Kai Winn (DS9)
Brunt (DS9)
Female Shapeshifter (DS9)
The Intendent (DS9)
Lore (Star Trek TNG)
Ben Linus (Lost)
Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)
Caprica Six (BSG)
Scorpius (Farscape)
Nina Myers (24)
Sherry Palmer (24)
Charles Logan (24)
Tywin Lannister (Game of Thrones)
Joffrey Baratheon (Game of Thrones)
Melisandre (Game of Thrones)
Gus Fring (Breaking Bad)
Walter White (Breaking Bad)
Hannibal Lecter (Hannibal...I loved Mads approach)
Boyd Crowder (Justified)
Mags Bennett (Justified)
Stringer Bell (The Wire)
Al Swearengen (Deadwood)
Gillian Darmody (Boardwalk Empire)
Arnold Rothstein (Boardwalk Empire) (well he was a bad guy but in context of the show he wasn't that bad compared to everyone else)
Valentine Narcisse (Boardwalk Empire)
Dennis Reynolds (It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia...surely he counts)
Roger Furlong (Veep...everyone on that show is a horrible person...but he rises to the top)



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Unstable Molecule


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That's a good list. Of those you mentioned, Gus Fring is my favorite by a long shot. I actually started rooting more for Gus than for Walt during that season. When he eliminated the entire freaking cartel, I was in absolute awe. It made Walter look like a lucky amateur (which is how Mike always perceived him, relative to Gus).

Mads' Hannibal Lecter was also a tour de force. What an amazing show that was. I really hope we can see another season of that, someday. The intriguing cliff hanger is just too delicious to leave dangling forever.

One more, missing from your list - Freddie Highmore's Norman Bates. A very humanizing performance, and Highmore's acting has been Emmy-worthy for the last three seasons. It's also a surprisingly sympathetic portrayal of mental illness.




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Reverend Meteor


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    That's a good list. Of those you mentioned, Gus Fring is my favorite by a long shot. I actually started rooting more for Gus than for Walt during that season. When he eliminated the entire freaking cartel, I was in absolute awe. It made Walter look like a lucky amateur (which is how Mike always perceived him, relative to Gus).


Gus was my favorite Breaking Bad character as well. Gus returned (er arrived) to Better Call Saul last night...in an episode so boring that I thought watching paint dry would be more fulfilling.


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    Mads' Hannibal Lecter was also a tour de force. What an amazing show that was. I really hope we can see another season of that, someday. The intriguing cliff hanger is just too delicious to leave dangling forever.


I loved how he played the character. I got the vibe his character wasn't troubled. He genuinely enjoyed what he was doing and was completely at peace with himself. He played the devil on Will's shoulder in an attempt to make Will some kind of √úbermensch beyond the constraints of good and evil. He played Hannibal more like a Faustian demon than a nutjob serial killer.


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    One more, missing from your list - Freddie Highmore's Norman Bates. A very humanizing performance, and Highmore's acting has been Emmy-worthy for the last three seasons. It's also a surprisingly sympathetic portrayal of mental illness.


I watch the show. Mostly for Norma. Before she died I really thought of the show as her show...a show with the lead dealing with a child with a mental illness more so than it being an homage to Psycho. I miss the real Norma.



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    Some of my favorites.



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    Gul Dukat (Star Trek DS9)
    Weyounn (DS9)
    Kai Winn (DS9)
    Brunt (DS9)
    Female Shapeshifter (DS9)
    The Intendent (DS9)

I didn't really like the female shapeshifter for some reason. Maybe it's just that whole "it's for your own good" game that she played on Odo, I hate when villains do that, I'd rather they just said they're doing it for themselves and screw y'all.

I liked the rest. Brunt was more of a pest than a villain but it was a pleasure to see him cross swords with Quark.

Kai Winn was so easy to hate, but Dukat was somehow able to draw sympathy and had a charm even though you knew he was a horrible person.


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    Lore (Star Trek TNG)

It was great to see Spiner take on another role but I don't think Lore broke out of "evil twin" enough. The best one was when they met Noonien Soong because Lore actually got emotional and you could see that he cared about something (even if briefly).


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    Ben Linus (Lost)

Like Dukat, I sometimes found myself liking the guy even though he did such horrible things. Hey, he actually got a happy ending in the sideways.


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    Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)
    Caprica Six (BSG)

It took me a few tries to get through this series, it was inconsistent. There is a lot to like in there but also a lot of crap to sift through.

What I couldn't get over is: in the first miniseries Baltar has a chance to steal the old blind lady's seat on the escape ship to save his own life but doesn't, presumably because he's a good person; but later when he has to prove he has the working Cylon detector he frames who he thinks is an innocent to save his own skin. Talk about inconsistent!

Adama was so stupid. You have an enemy who are indistinguishable from your own people, so you task only one scientist with coming up with a detector, and hope he's not one of the enemy? Why not a team of scientists? Whoever comes up with the device, show the others how it works. Doesn't Baltar even admit later that it doesn't really work, and they still trust him? Baltar talks to himself, acts like a complete headcase, and no one ever notices or comments on it. He even becomes President! I never even knew if he was supposed to be a good guy or bad. I don't think the writers did either. I don't think it was clear by the end of the series.


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    Scorpius (Farscape)

Loved him!


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    Nina Myers (24)
    Sherry Palmer (24)
    Charles Logan (24)
    Tywin Lannister (Game of Thrones)
    Joffrey Baratheon (Game of Thrones)
    Melisandre (Game of Thrones)
    Gus Fring (Breaking Bad)
    Walter White (Breaking Bad)

Loved Gus and Walter. I probably liked Walter more, he was scrappy, he was able to talk himself out of anything. He could really pull stuff out of his ass. A lot of gumption. I didn't really understand the whole conversation during the series of "when he was going to break bad" or "when you stopped sympathizing with Walt" because I thought his transition from hero to villain happened in the first episode when he decided to start a criminal endeavor. Especially in the second episode when he has to kill the guy in his basement and then decides to continue in the meth business.

Didn't see the rest.



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I was ready to hate her but Jamie Moriarty is quite an interesting take on the classic villain.


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Root : an ally but also a great villain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_characters#Root

John Greer & Decima Technologies: one of the main archfoes of the TV show
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_characters#Decima_Technologies

HR : the group of corrupt police officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_characters#HR

The Brotherhood, especially their leader, Dominic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_characters#Dominic_Besson

Like Root, an ally but also a great villain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Person_of_Interest_characters#Carl_Elias

Samaritan, of course
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#Samaritan

... and also some of the villains who appeared only in one episode, for example Alistair Wesley
http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/Alistair_Wesley




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      Some of my favorites.

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        Gul Dukat (Star Trek DS9)
        Weyounn (DS9)
        Kai Winn (DS9)
        Brunt (DS9)
        Female Shapeshifter (DS9)
        The Intendent (DS9)

      I didn't really like the female shapeshifter for some reason. Maybe it's just that whole "it's for your own good" game that she played on Odo, I hate when villains do that, I'd rather they just said they're doing it for themselves and screw y'all.


I really liked her. Garak asks her in one episode about some missing Cardassian ships and she more or tells him she's going to kill everyone on Cardassia. And even though they later become her allies she does more or less make good on her promise in the series finale.

Another bit of hers I liked was she told Weyounn she'd give up the whole Alpha Quadrant if it meant Odo returned home. That told me she puts her people over her people's goals.



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    I liked the rest. Brunt was more of a pest than a villain but it was a pleasure to see him cross swords with Quark.


I loved his oafish villainy. Another Ferengi I loved was Quark's cousin Gaila who showed up twice. He somehow made Ferengi's look bad.



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    Kai Winn was so easy to hate, but Dukat was somehow able to draw sympathy and had a charm even though you knew he was a horrible person.


I LOOOOOOVED Kai Winn. I know some people hated her but I always loved when she showed up. She was a great soap opera type villainess.


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      Lore (Star Trek TNG)

    It was great to see Spiner take on another role but I don't think Lore broke out of "evil twin" enough. The best one was when they met Noonien Soong because Lore actually got emotional and you could see that he cared about something (even if briefly).
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        Ben Linus (Lost)

      Like Dukat, I sometimes found myself liking the guy even though he did such horrible things. Hey, he actually got a happy ending in the sideways.

      I like Ben. I hated the Others with the exception of him and a couple others.


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          Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)
          Caprica Six (BSG)

        It took me a few tries to get through this series, it was inconsistent. There is a lot to like in there but also a lot of crap to sift through.



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    What I couldn't get over is: in the first miniseries Baltar has a chance to steal the old blind lady's seat on the escape ship to save his own life but doesn't, presumably because he's a good person; but later when he has to prove he has the working Cylon detector he frames who he thinks is an innocent to save his own skin. Talk about inconsistent!


No no I think it works for who he is. Gaius wants to be good but he's too selfish. He doesn't revel in being evil. I can relate to that. He doesn't like doing horrible things but he's going to do what he has to in order to survive or get what he wants. He's happy to do something generous if it costs him nothing. There was something right before he was interrogated in season 3 where he mentions a lab assistant who was Gemonese that he got a passport for, introduced the guy to his wife and was godfather to their baby. Baltar being inconsistent was itself consistent. He was an ok guy (a bit smug) that did horrible stuff.


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    Adama was so stupid. You have an enemy who are indistinguishable from your own people, so you task only one scientist with coming up with a detector, and hope he's not one of the enemy? Why not a team of scientists? Whoever comes up with the device, show the others how it works. Doesn't Baltar even admit later that it doesn't really work, and they still trust him? Baltar talks to himself, acts like a complete headcase, and no one ever notices or comments on it. He even becomes President! I never even knew if he was supposed to be a good guy or bad. I don't think the writers did either. I don't think it was clear by the end of the series.


I think that all worked. He was more a weasel than an outright villain. I think in season 2 he was pretty villainous. Season 4 he was trying to find some redemption.


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    Walter White (Breaking Bad)
    Loved Gus and Walter. I probably liked Walter more, he was scrappy, he was able to talk himself out of anything. He could really pull stuff out of his ass. A lot of gumption. I didn't really understand the whole conversation during the series of "when he was going to break bad" or "when you stopped sympathizing with Walt" because I thought his transition from hero to villain happened in the first episode when he decided to start a criminal endeavor. Especially in the second episode when he has to kill the guy in his basement and then decides to continue in the meth business.


The truth is the demarcation point for when he "broke bad" and became irredeemable was different from viewer to viewer (which was oddly brilliant to pull off).

Some people finished the show and still saw Walt was the good guy and rationalized he did everything he had to do for his family. Others like you saw he was the villain almost from the very beginning. Others like me swallowed a lot of what Walt did and rooted for him until one moment or other really soured us on Walt.

For me I was rooting for him until we found out he poisoned Brock. Every thing he did before that I could live with (I know that makes me sound awful). Strangling the drug dealer, killing the gang members, letting Jane choke on her own vomit, even killing Gale to make himself indispensable to Gus. I was cool with every bit of that and thought everyone who Walt crushed on his way to glory would have done the same to him or in Gale's case should have done the same but was too stupid to do so. Brock was a true innocent. So for me after Walt defeated his arch enemy Gus he became the villain of the story. Gus killed Brock's teenage uncle I think...Walt had to become like Gus to beat Gus.



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That show has a lot of actors I like (Amy Acker, Taraji p. Henson, Michael Emerson) but I couldn't ever get far into it.



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    That show has a lot of actors I like (Amy Acker, Taraji p. Henson, Michael Emerson) but I couldn't ever get far into it.


I am a huge fan.

It reminds me some of the movies that I like about artificial intelligence & life (Ghost in the Shell (1995), Ex-Machina, Blade Runner ...)


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The Riddler(Frank Gorshin) from Batman. He's the only one from the show that can still make me laugh.


Dr Stanley Bacon(Don Porter) from The Six Million Dollar Man episodes Population Zero and Run Steve Run. As a kid, I probably would've chosen Bigfoot or Fred Sloan(Day Of The Robot), but as an adult I love Porter as the disgruntled former OSI worker.



Alex Krycek(Nicholas Lea) from The X-Files. The more the Cigarette Smoking Man got involved, the less intriguing he was. Krycek, however, was a bastard from the start. Whether out to get Mulder and Scully or working with them, every episode was made better by his appearance.


Mr Burns(Harry Shearer) from The Simpsons. Whether he's blocking out the sun, stealing puppies to make into a coat or ordering to have The Rolling Stones killed after being insulted by The Ramones, C. Montgomery Burns is the epitome of TV villainy.



The Trinity Killer(John Lithgow) from Dexter. His story easily made for the best season of Dexter, which is saying a lot. I'm a big fan of horror but those scenes of him in the bathtub with his victim made me squeamish. 



Killgrave(David Tennant) from Jessica Jones. I watched this series because I was done with Daredevil and wanted to see more in a similar vein. Wow, was this great! And I think it had more to do with Killgrave and the aura around him than Jessica Jones.




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