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Reverend Meteor


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He's my favorite Marvel character. One thing I loved about his journey in Thunderbolts was that he was a terrible person yet was still evolving. He was trying to figure out how to be better while still being himself.





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Bill


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    He's my favorite Marvel character. One thing I loved about his journey in Thunderbolts was that he was a terrible person yet was still evolving. He was trying to figure out how to be better while still being himself.



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Yes, I'm a huge Helmut Zemo fan. The journey Fabian N. took him on was a great character development story. Zemo restoring Captain America's old locker and mementos that the Masters of Evil destroyed really showed how far Zemo had come since his MOE days. The "Born Better" mini-series is a favorite of mine because it drew a thick solid line between what he was at that point vs. what he had been in his MOE days, and also between him and his father.

Helmut's return to a villain really ruined what his character had become. I've been so turned off by most Marvel books these days, that most of the information I get of current character developments is from these boards rather than first hand. But I hear Helmut is running around in recent issues with a sword emblazoned with nazi symbols. What a disaster if this is what Marvel thinks of him today.

I can only hope that some Marvel writer who is a Helmut fan will reverse recent stories, and restore the "Born Better" Zemo. Possibly after the whole Kobik/cosmic cube story is resolved, Helmut will be returned to where Fabian N. left him.


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Reverend Meteor


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      He's my favorite Marvel character. One thing I loved about his journey in Thunderbolts was that he was a terrible person yet was still evolving. He was trying to figure out how to be better while still being himself.

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    Yes, I'm a huge Helmut Zemo fan. The journey Fabian N. took him on was a great character development story. Zemo restoring Captain America's old locker and mementos that the Masters of Evil destroyed really showed how far Zemo had come since his MOE days. The "Born Better" mini-series is a favorite of mine because it drew a thick solid line between what he was at that point vs. what he had been in his MOE days, and also between him and his father.



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    Helmut's return to a villain really ruined what his character had become. I've been so turned off by most Marvel books these days, that most of the information I get of current character developments is from these boards rather than first hand. But I hear Helmut is running around in recent issues with a sword emblazoned with nazi symbols. What a disaster if this is what Marvel thinks of him today.



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    I can only hope that some Marvel writer who is a Helmut fan will reverse recent stories, and restore the "Born Better" Zemo. Possibly after the whole Kobik/cosmic cube story is resolved, Helmut will be returned to where Fabian N. left him.


My personal theory is that the current Zemo is just a brainwashed Wendell Volker (his cousin from the Born Better mini). Helmut's got everyone thinking he's a Nazi (which he isn't! He's an aristocrat!) while the real Helmut is really off doing good deeds in his own fashion.

Everything after Born Better is Volker IMO.





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        He's my favorite Marvel character. One thing I loved about his journey in Thunderbolts was that he was a terrible person yet was still evolving. He was trying to figure out how to be better while still being himself.

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        Yes, I'm a huge Helmut Zemo fan. The journey Fabian N. took him on was a great character development story. Zemo restoring Captain America's old locker and mementos that the Masters of Evil destroyed really showed how far Zemo had come since his MOE days. The "Born Better" mini-series is a favorite of mine because it drew a thick solid line between what he was at that point vs. what he had been in his MOE days, and also between him and his father.

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          Helmut's return to a villain really ruined what his character had become. I've been so turned off by most Marvel books these days, that most of the information I get of current character developments is from these boards rather than first hand. But I hear Helmut is running around in recent issues with a sword emblazoned with nazi symbols. What a disaster if this is what Marvel thinks of him today.

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            I can only hope that some Marvel writer who is a Helmut fan will reverse recent stories, and restore the "Born Better" Zemo. Possibly after the whole Kobik/cosmic cube story is resolved, Helmut will be returned to where Fabian N. left him.



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    My personal theory is that the current Zemo is just a brainwashed Wendell Volker (his cousin from the Born Better mini). Helmut's got everyone thinking he's a Nazi (which he isn't! He's an aristocrat!) while the real Helmut is really off doing good deeds in his own fashion.



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    Everything after Born Better is Volker IMO.



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Anything that works!

Zemo in the Captain America movie obviously had very little (none?) connection to the comics. But what were your thoughts on him there? I really didn't see him as "Zemo". To me he was just a random character, and I had absolutely no strong feelings either way.




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Reverend Meteor


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Zemo in the Captain America movie obviously had very little (none?) connection to the comics. But what were your thoughts on him there? I really didn't see him as "Zemo". To me he was just a random character, and I had absolutely no strong feelings either way.


Helmut's my favorite Marvel character so I was psyched to see him on screen. But when they made him Sokovian that sort of ruined the movie version for me. Him being German and descended from a Nazi war criminal is sort of the point of the character.

That said one thing I've always noticed about Helmut is that his plans are convoluted, seemingly contradictory, spiteful and he often plays the long game...willing to lose in the short term to reap a benefit in the long term. So his mindf*ck at the end of the movie seemed like classic Zemo. Helmut's the Little Engine That Could of villainy...he doesn't let a loss get him down for long.

And I liked the moment between Black Panther and Zemo near the end. I had never thought of those characters having a scene together but it made me want to see Black Panther and Zemo meet in the comics.



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