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Tate Walters


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Now some of you will instantly judge my following statement as homophobic and feel free to do so. But I was fine when the young alternate universe Ice-Man was revealed to be gay. I would have happily collected a NorthStar book, as he is one of my favorite Alpha Flight characters. And I'd have been thrilled to see Anole get more time in the spotlight. However, I am totally against 616 Ice-Man being changed into a gay character. He was my one of my favorite characters until he was changed into being gay for shock value, despite decades of being depicted as straight. I hate when a character's history is totally ignored just to suit a writer's whim. I am thrilled the book is being canceled.


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    Now some of you will instantly judge my following statement as homophobic and feel free to do so. But I was fine when the young alternate universe Ice-Man was revealed to be gay. I would have happily collected a NorthStar book, as he is one of my favorite Alpha Flight characters. And I'd have been thrilled to see Anole get more time in the spotlight. However, I am totally against 616 Ice-Man being changed into a gay character. He was my one of my favorite characters until he was changed into being gay for shock value, despite decades of being depicted as straight. I hate when a character's history is totally ignored just to suit a writer's whim. I am thrilled the book is being canceled.


I was ignoring the book so I'm indifferent to it being cancelled. I'll say this: it's commonplace for a young gay male to think he's heterosexual when puberty starts. He'll date girls and often be successful at it. But eventually he'll realize his true orientation. That's how Bobby was depicted. (It's important to remember that he was the youngest of Xavier's first team.)






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The Black Guardian 

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I agree. Every time someone talks about Iceman being gay they really sound like adults on Peanuts, speaking loads of BS, to me.

Frankly, I still think Jeen mind controlled everybody because she's sick of guys fawning over her.

Not that this cancellation is going to change things.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Now some of you will instantly judge my following statement as homophobic and feel free to do so. But I was fine when the young alternate universe Ice-Man was revealed to be gay. I would have happily collected a NorthStar book, as he is one of my favorite Alpha Flight characters. And I'd have been thrilled to see Anole get more time in the spotlight. However, I am totally against 616 Ice-Man being changed into a gay character. He was my one of my favorite characters until he was changed into being gay for shock value, despite decades of being depicted as straight. I hate when a character's history is totally ignored just to suit a writer's whim. I am thrilled the book is being canceled.


I don't think disliking the decision to turn Iceman gay is homophobic. He wasn't implied to be one. (except I always sort of thought Lobdell was implying that during his run...the way he wrote Bobby's dad in particular led me to think that)

If you had called him a faggot or went off on a spiel about christian values then maybe you would be homophobic. But you're free to dislike stuff.

Like I'm fine with Iceman being gay but I really didn't like Rictor and Shatterstar becoming a couple. They had a really great friendship and I was little annoyed that because they were close friends they were just made gay. Why can't guys be close friends without being gay?



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    I agree. Every time someone talks about Iceman being gay they really sound like adults on Peanuts, speaking loads of BS, to me.


Maybe if it was someone other than Bendis who wrote this maybe?

Bendis doesn't really have the uh...finesse to pull something like this off.


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    Frankly, I still think Jeen mind controlled everybody because she's sick of guys fawning over her.


So she wants them to fawn over Bobby? Or she just wanted to force Bobby to be with dudes so he would leave her alone?

(clearly I didn't understand the comment)



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    Not that this cancellation is going to change things.






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      I agree. Every time someone talks about Iceman being gay they really sound like adults on Peanuts, speaking loads of BS, to me.

    Maybe if it was someone other than Bendis who wrote this maybe?

    Bendis doesn't really have the uh...finesse to pull something like this off.

It's not even a Bendis thing for me. The idea that Bobby could remotely even be gay is just absurd fanfic to me.


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      Frankly, I still think Jeen mind controlled everybody because she's sick of guys fawning over her.

    So she wants them to fawn over Bobby? Or she just wanted to force Bobby to be with dudes so he would leave her alone?

    (clearly I didn't understand the comment)

Yup. Leave her alone. She doesn't want Bobby fawning over her too, so she made him gay.

Sorry. Don't know why I wrote "everybody." Meant "him."


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I agree with you about Shatterstar and Rictor. Frankly, I think what was a really good relationship is now completely ruined because of this. A solid friendship is better than a romantic relationship, imo.


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Tate Walters


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    Why can't guys be close friends without being gay?


That statement sums up how I feel about the "hints" everyone brings up about the conclusion that was made about ICE-Man....for instance, all his relationships failed.....well, that pretty much means that every X-Man would be gay, except for Northstar (the only one who has stayed in a successful relationship).




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Tate Walters


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    I agree. Every time someone talks about Iceman being gay they really sound like adults on Peanuts, speaking loads of BS, to me.


Ditto


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    Frankly, I still think Jeen mind controlled everybody because she's sick of guys fawning over her.


I will always believe that, just as strongly that I attest that Spider-Man and Mary Jane's baby never died.


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    Not that this cancellation is going to change things.


Unfortunately I agree with this too.




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    I will always believe that, just as strongly that I attest that Spider-Man and Mary Jane's baby never died.

Yes! Baby May Lives!


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mykle1616


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I'll be writing a reply to this when u get to a computer. Marvel is testing my limits. Tbc


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