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    Also Iceman being gay should not be equated with genocide like that one poster was stating, that is just stupid.

Yeah, that example made no sense.


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    Namor was born the way he is from the genes of human and atlantean mixing. Hybrid or mutant are equally applicable as the mutations would not have occurred without the genes mixing and making him a hybrid.

Hmm...


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    I need to go back and reread the early X-men issues and recheck the context of when Xavier was thinking how he was in love with Jean

    Granted it does seem creepy but he never did anything about those feelings but seriously was it "Creepy love" or was it the love a father would have for daughter, or in this case surrogate father/daughter?


Never read the ONE ish but get the impression it was just like when Pym lashed out and hit Jan in a context that was reinterpretted years later. Albeit in a far less lasting way. Here's a line for you:
> In X-Men #4 (1964), Stan Lee and Jack Kirby provided us the mostly forgotten tableau of a forty-something Professor X waxing erotic for an underage Jean Grey. This panel was left unaddressed until the Onslaught saga of the mid-90s...
> https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-5-most-disturbing-x-men-love-affairs-5472104


On a related note, Xavier was Man of the Year in 1991!!! \:\)
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Yup. This was also at a time when they hadn't totally nailed down Xavier's age. He claimed he got his mutancy from his dad working at Alamogordo when he was conceived. By 1963, this wouldn't have made him much older than his "students." Calling them "students" is also using the term very loosely.




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Old enough to have served in the Korean War.

However, his body was cloned in Uncanny X-Men #168. It's also possible that his body had some restoration after House of M and/or by the M'Kraan Crystal.

And of course, now he's got Fantomex's body (or something).




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Mentally I would say Xavier is in his 60s possibly close to 70 given that he did serve in the Korean war as I recall.


His clone body after becoming a brood was not crippled and likely younger.

Now he is in fantomex's body so physically probably late twenties or mid thirties.

But with all the deaths, rebirths (except mar-vell) and the sliding timeline, age no longer can be accurate


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I think the whole Xavier loves Jean thing may have been something Stan and jack thought about then dropped due to reasons of age difference in the characters and creepiness.

However there is no other context or retcon of that scene I am aware of. He could have been thinking of love like a father to daughter or that he loves and cares for all of his students.

But given this was in the early days and not all the characters and plots were completely planned out we may never know.

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Https://www.cbr.com/x-men-jean-grey-professor-x

Looks like they did abandon the idea after that, reasons unknown but likely easy to guess.



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The age range for Korean War vets is between 84-87.

Yes, I really would prefer he be removed from that historical record.




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Well I think he is or it is just not referenced now, just like iron man's origin is now more Persian gulf/war on terror then Vietnam

Also having been dead and reborn a few times even Starks age is no longer able to be ascertained, nor Cap for that matter.


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    Well I think he is or it is just not referenced now, just like iron man's origin is now more Persian gulf/war on terror then Vietnam


IIRC a story during Claremont's second run indicated that Xavier served in Vietnam, not Korea. Not that that would solve the continuity problems...

It is part of a more general problem. Many important X-Book characters had their ages revised upwards several times over the years.

Wolverine was originally envisaged by Len Wein as a hot-blooded youngster, now he was born in the 1880s. Mystique, whose age was set as 30 in a 1983 story, is now also established as having been born in the 19th century.

In X-Men #1 (1963) Charles Xavier says he is "possibly the first such mutant" and that his parents worked on the first A-bomb project, leading many to conclude that at that point Lee and Kirby were writing him as being in his early 20s. Also, for Professor X to believe that he was possibly the first mutant, no mutant of whose existence he was aware could be older than him. Which is likely to include Magneto, who debuted shortly after that scene. (So at the time when Charles's secret crush on Jean was revealed, the age-difference between them may have been something like four or five years).

Later, when his stepbrother Juggernaut was introduced, it was revealed that they both were veterans of the Korean War. Which at the time (1965) meant that he must have been at the very least 30 years old in the present. Later still, in UXM #168, Charles Xavier's biography was linked to that of several people who had lived during World War 2. During the 1950s in Israel he first met Auschwitz survivor Magneto (who, as we can tell from later flashbacks, was a pubescent teenager when the war began; he thus must have been born in the mid-1920s, which makes him older than Charles). He also fell in love with another Holocaust survivor, Gaby Haller, and fell in love with her (which led to the birth of Legion). And together they fought against Nazi villain Baron Strucker (arch-enemy of Sgt. Fury and his Howlers during the war). So having Charles Xavier be a veteran of Vietnam, not Korea, doesn't solve all problems caused by the notorious sliding timescale, as he is still firmly established as a near-contemporary of Magneto and Gaby Haller. (It in fact causes further muddling, as in the story as originally written Charles went to Israel after his military service, not before). In the meantime, both Magneto and Charles have been rejuvenated (Magneto de-aged by Davan Shakari, Professor X a new clone body), but apparently not Gabrielle Haller.

As a side-note, let's briefly mention that both Magneto's and Professor X's children appear younger than they should be given that Magda's three children all should have been conceived in the 1940s and David Haller in the 1950s. There's also the matter of Charles Xavier's stay in Egypt in the 1950s, where he encountered Amahl Farouk for the first time and also ran into a young orphan called Ororo Munroe. Storm at that time was established as having lost her parents during the 1956 Suez Crisis, but since then she stayed young, so she must have been born decades later than that...






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    And of course, now he's got Fantomex's body (or something).


Aaah, the wacky plotlines of the X-Books ....


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Yes, if ever there was a Marvel line of books that needed its own Crisis to completely wipe the slate clean and totally reboot things it is the Xmen titles.

Complete and total convoluted train wreck.


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