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Quote:Well, we're about a week late for Valentine's Day, but I figured we're due for our semi-annual update to the list, especially in light of all the additions to the Avengers roster in the past year or two.
Just a reminder of the ground rules--we're compiling a list of all established sex partners of the various Avengers members...which means there should be some on-panel evidence of a sexual relationship. When possible, try to include an issue # for reference, or an example of the evidence to support them being on the list.
To get us started, I'll repost the list as it stood from our last update session:
Avengers Sex List
Compiled by Century
Thor: Aside from being raped by Moondragon, in modern times, Thor's only been with the Enchantress and the Valkyrie (the Blood and Thunder-era one, not either of the Defenders ones). And I seem to recall her being just his hallucination. Possibly Lorelei , too. Mythologically, Sif is Thor's lover, but they've never slept together in modern/Marvel times. In ancient times, Thor loved and slept with classic-Valkyrie when both of them were in different human personas as Siegfried and Brunhilde in ancient times (3+?)
The Brunhilde Valkyrie apparently was with the real Thor in their Asgardian incarnations in Thor: Truth of History. I'm genuinely shocked nobody's mentioned Amora during the Ellis run and its follow-up. They were living together and everything.
Yellowjacket: Maria Pym/Wasp/Tigra. Ian Watson adds "possibly that scientist/manager woman who started out pretending to be his lab assistant but turned out to be running a research company for Ultron." (name, anyone?â€”Alice Nugent), but that sounds like an outside chance at best. (3)
Alice's less-than-noble intentions as revealed by her later appearances as Dr. Spectrum make this more likely. We have to count the Skrull from Mighty Avengers as well, sadly. I'd personally say Firebird, by my interpretation of the "I'm not a nun!" bit.
Wasp: Hank Pym. Hawkeye. Tony Stark and Paladin have been speculated, but there's no evidence to say so (although a lot of you certainly seem to think so...). Ditto various unnamed guys during her time in Europe (as mentioned in flashback in the Giant-Man miniseries). Her willingness to have casual sex with Hawkeye lends more support to the other speculations (2+)
* Al says: "It's Stark, the #1 *banned word* for getting it on with anything with a pulse Do you think he would not have got it on with her?"
I figure that's about the only way to interpret the beach scene with Tony myself.
Hulk/Bruce Banner: Angela Lipscome (or whatever her name was from the Jenkins run, she was Banner's college girlfriend), Betty Banner, Mrs Abomination, Nadia Blonsky and Rick Jones' future wife Marlo, too, during the "Mr Fixit" days (during which Hulk was quite the banned word). Hulkie was also raped by one of the Maestro's harem-girls while immobilised, too. Jarella's also been suggested, but I've seen that heavily disputed before. X-foe Selene is also speculated. (LOTS)
Nightmare has claimed that some events from Hulk's recent past were false, so maybe not Nadia?
Have to add Caeria to this, as well as AIM's own Monica Rappuccini. I also agree that Kate Waynesboro is pretty likely.
Iron Man: Tony Stark is the #1 slut of the Avengers, with a list that includes no less than Sunset Bain, Meredith McCall(?), Madame Masque, Marriane Rodgers, Bethany Cabe, Kathy Dare, Veronica Benning, Black Widow, Mantis (still want that to be the Space Phantom?), Pepper Potts (Heroes Reborn version), Countess De La Spiroza, Calista Hancock and Rumiko Fujikawa. Plus Wasp and Tigra are speculated, but unconfirmed, too. (12+, and that's a conservative guess)
What about Rae La Coste and Indries Moomji?
Rae La Coste explicitly denied it, although several scenes seem to imply it and her saying it wasn't so only to the man she was trying to start a romantic relationship with after Tony's death leaves that a little more open-ended. Dr. Su Yin, the Chinese neurosurgeon from the Byrne run was confirmed. Janet Cord's pretty likely, with the engagement and all. I argue yes for Wasp, as that scene at the beach implies it as heavily as I feel the 80s would allow, but no to Tigra, since the only time on-panel she approached him, he rebuffed her for Hank's sake. There's also Gretl Anders, the homeless street alcoholic he was hanging out with during his longest bender, by my interpretation, and probably Clytemnestra Erwin, since that's the only way I see her as going quite as insane as she ultimately did. IF we count Teen Tony as real Tony, I believe we have to include Kris Degann, who may have been Masque. Kathy Dare was almost certain. Indries Moomji definitely, since that was what she was paid by Stane for. I refuse to believe that he and the 'real' Pepper Potts were ever involved. Didn't Tony also have a fiance in Tales of Suspense #40?
Rick Jones: Marlo, Epiphany, Major Vron-Ikka and possibly some of his Microverse groupies. I'm also seeing Lou-Ann Savannah named. Proof/evidence/facts, anyone? (2+)
Wasn't he travelling the country with Lou-Ann at that point? I think the captions of their break-up scene imply it, but that could just be me.
Captain America: Peggy Carter, Betsy Ross/Golden Girl, Bernie Rosenthal, Connie Ferarri and even Blind Al from Deadpool have all been speculated, but none confirmed. Cap slept with an LMD of Diamondback in Kirkman's run, which also implied that Cap had slept with the real Diamondback as well. Cap impregnated Sharon Carter before his death.
Golden Girl's a physical impossibility... unless it's happened since he was thawed out, she's never been in the same room as Steve Rogers, since her Cap appearances are assigned to the Jeff Mace Cap. I think it's splitting hairs to claim Bernie Rosenthal and Cap are not confirmed... they were engaged and there's a couch scene or two that all but say it aloud. While Cap slept with Sharon, we still don't know that baby was his, since her fiance had died just weeks before he last hookup with Cap.
Hawkeye: Eden, Black Widow, Mockingbird, Maryanne Sherbrook, Wasp and possibly Moonstone (Songbird's accused her of sleeping with him, and she didn't deny it), Shelia Danning and Marcella Carson are all possibilities as well. (evidence, anyone?) Shelia is probable, since she was hired to seduce Hawkeye as a distraction, and he seemed to have fallen very hard for her. (3+?)
The Echo bit from directly before Secret Invasion and the excreable New Avengers #26 with Wanda have to be added, as much as I'd like to not.
Quicksilver: Crystal (1)
Scarlet Witch: Vision, and Wonder Man.
See the bit with Clint. Scream loudly at the comic. Repeat. More interestingly, and less horrific, the What If? of Avengers: Disassembled has alternate reality Dr. Strange learn that in the Earth-616 universe, Wanda's relationship with Captain America was what inspired lots of Disassembled. Cap denies it was ever that serious to Sam Wilson, but this issue also states that 'our' Cap was legally insane at the time, so...
Swordsman: Mantis is all we know (1+?)
It's a safe bet that there are others, since we know he likes the prostitutes from the Mantis arc...
Hercules: In ancient times, he had a wife and was cheating on her (as in the Hulk: Hercules Unleashed one-shot). In modern times, Herc seemed more one for the nameless groupies, and being a general slut, once even throwing a toga-party at the mansion. There are claims about him and Black Widow, but I've yet to see proof. There's also an outside chance of Deathcry. (LOTS)
We now know that the Hippolyta bit is in-continuity (and wasn't Gilgamesh in one of his Hercules-impersonation phases) and can add Namora, Snowbird, and possibly his Olympian wife Hebe. I don't buy Deathcry, based on the way their relationship seemed to me, and Black Widow, because there's no way he'd respect her the way he does if he'd gotten anywhere with her. He 'stole' a waitress from Dane in an Avengers Annual once.
I'm more than a little creeped out that, while Amadeus Cho keeps denying that his relationship with Hercules is romantic in that title, Hercules hasn't yet when it's brought up to him...
Black Panther: Nikki Adams, Monica Lynne, and Storm (3)
Vision: Scarlet Witch and Mantis (*&^%* Celestial Quest....). (2)
I'm not listing the Gatherer Jocasta from their encounter in his first miniseries, since she's built like the AlbinoVision.
I'm not so sure... she had a husband on her world. I'm tempted to list Machinesmith, if for no other reason than that line from Minister Blood cracked me up the first time I read it.
Black Knight: Possibly Sersi, but there's no strong evidence either way. Didn't get anywhere with Crystal, and you just know he went home alone from Hercules' toga-party, too. Lots of speculation on the late Victoria Bentley, too.
I agree that Dane probably was with Sersi, and I think the Victoria Bentley stuff is pretty compelling. I like the idea that he didn't get anywhere with Crystal, myself.
Black Widow: Red Guardian II*, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Iron Man, and some guy in her Marvel Fanfare story (Michael Corcoran.) Hercules is also speculated. (5+)
I don't buy the Hercules bit, as mentioned above. We have to add Captain Bucky at this point, and there's the implication that she used a LOT of men during her espionage career in her initial appearances.
Mantis: Swordsman, Vision, That, and she was working as a hooker when Swordsman met her. (LOTS)
Do we count the Cotati or not? How about the Silver Surfer?
Beast: Like Hercules, was all about the groupies. Trish Tilby. His early-X-Men-era girlfriend Vera is speculated, too. (LOTS)
He was very serious about Vera, I feel. Some people read his interactions with Patsy Walker as romantic, although I don't. I figure the Dazzler was with him at one point, but I can't back that up with a specific citation.
Moondragon: Raped Thor. Had a relationship with Rick Jones' wife Marlo, and the got involved with Phyla-Vell (2+)
Hellcat: Mad-Dog and Daimon Hellstrom. (2)
As mentioned before, some people interpret her relationship with Hank as romantic... I disagree, but since nobody else mentioned it.
Whizzer: Miss America (1)
Two-Gun Kid: Nancy Carter, his wife who died in childbirth.
He's with Mallory Book now, isn't he?
Wonder Man: Tigra, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch. Nothing to suggest he ever slept with Alex Flores. (2+)
Well, other than his general lack of character. Ms. Marvel's definite at this point. Didn't he have a girlfriend during the Micheline run?
Warbird: I have no idea. Both her boyfriends from her solo series were killed, and have no idea how close she was to them, or anyone else previously, but Col. Rossi and Mike Barnett are supposedly the most likely two, and she's been pretty much celibate since Marcus raped her. There's an outside chance of the original Captain Marvel, even less so of Wolverine. Perhaps Wonder Man in HoM. Possibly Johnny Storm, during their embarrasing weekend in Vegas mentioned in MS Marvel #1?
As mentioned before, we have to add Wonder Man during their Mighty Avengers careers for sure. Mike Rossi's a safe bet. I don't buy either the Captain Marvel or the Wolverine bits, myself.
Falcon: Has a long-term girlfriend Leila, no idea how close they were. And then there's his pimp days... Sam was sleeping with Agent Ali Morales in Cap&Falcon. (1+)
Leila's almost certain, if he was interested, which, after seeing them together in the Englehart run of Cap, I'm not so sure of.
Jocasta: Anatomically incorrect and proud of it. And yes, her new body may be more "correct", but it's a child's body. (0)
Tigra: Stark's opposite number, with Bill Nelson, Wonder Man, Hank Pym, Balkatar, some random guy from her miniseries, Cage*, and possibly Tony Stark. Moon Knight is heavily speculated, too. Also threw herself at Jarvis/Graviton/US Agent, but I don't think she got anywhere with them. (5+)
I'd count the Moon Knight bit as Khonshu, since he was basically totally in charge of Mark Spector's body at the time. The Graviton bit was almost certain, horrifically. Stark actually rebuffed Tigra during the WCA, and I don't think that they were on-panel together with romance in the air since. Starfox should be on the list, I feel.
She-Hulk: Starfox, Cage*, Wyatt Wingfoot , Zapper Ridge, Mika, John Jameson (unidentified in FF:Foes, but Slott says its John. Also established in She-Hulk vol.2 #2); various one-night stands. (5 +) She has apparently slept with Daredevil in HoM.
Hillariously, she gives an entire list during the Slott run, including Richard Rory, all the above listed, Hercules, Tony Stark, and some guy from college named Gary. It's implied that the list is much, much longer than we see. I suppose we have to count the male model from the first issue of the Slott series. (Wow, that sounds dirty in this context, doesn't it?)
Captain Marvel: Una? Elysius? Outside chance of Warbird (2?)
Princess Anelle, for sure. Una was definitely implied in the 90s Captain Marvel flashback miniseries, and Elysius is a definite.
Photon: I got nothing.
Derek Freeman, perhaps?
Starfox: She-Hulk, Heater Delight and legions of alien women, because he's a professional slut (LOTS). Demonika, presumably.
Well, I'd include Tigra, based on her Avengers v3 #4 quote as she rode him into the sunset. (Yet ANOTHER description that sounds wrong in this context...)
War Machine: Marcy Pearson, and the woman whose name he forgot in The Crew #1. Also possibly Rae LaCoste (apparently they were shown in bed together in War Machine) and Officer Marcy Howard (2+)
Rhodey apparently had an ex-girlfriend that it was at least feasible he had an illegitimate child with, so, there's that. Rae LaCoste pretty explicitly stated they had that sort of relationship in War Machine and, really, in Iron Man #284.
Mockingbird: Ka-Zar and Hawkeye are all we know. That, and about fifteen years after it happened, they finally admitted that the Phantom Rider raped her. (2+)
I suspect we may see more in New Avengers: The Reunion.
Moira Brandon: I don't even wanna know.
Well, you know what they said about those 1930s Hollywood parties. (I'd make a Fatty Arbuckle/William Desmond Taylor joke here, but I fear it'd be missed.)
Thing: Alicia Masters and the She-Thing, when they were both human. Possibly "that idealized female version of himself from beyonder's battleworld during his Rocky Grimm Space Ranger days" (Tara) (2+).
Since Tara was entirely part of his psyche, would she count? His Slott-era girlfriend, pre-FF fiance, and current fiance all should be on the list.
Firebird: Dude, she's like a nun! (0)
Is not! She said so herself.
Quote:Sub-Mariner: Dorma (maybe notâ€”she was killed before their wedding), Marrina, being Namor's wife's a death-sentence. And then there's Llyra, while she was disguised as the Invisible Woman, and "some pirate woman from a Marvel Fanfare issue". Possibly Betty Prentiss? (4+)
I figure Betty Prentiss is a safe bet, as are both wives. Llyra's all but on-panel. There was a woman living in a tower he lost to Baron Blood from a Namor annual as well. The implication in Incredible Hercules Namora makes leads one to believe lots of creepy stuff.
Quote:Dr Druid: Who the pimp-daddy? Druid the pimp-daddy! Terminatrix, ShadowWoman and Nekra. (3+)
We have to count the "monster" that bore his son, as well.
Quote:Moon Knight: His longtime partner Marlene, possibly Tigra (1-2)
I don't count Tigra, since Mark wasn't in the driver's seat of his body at the time, but was rather slave to his god.
Quote:Marrina: Sub-Mariner and "the Plodex tentacle-thing" (2)
Didn't she have a high school boyfriend at one point? No guarantee that it was that sort of relationship, though.
Quote:Terminatrix: Druid, Kang. People have speculated that she slept her way around the whole Council of Kangs to steal their technology, but as I recall, all she needed to do was flirt with them. (2)
Terminatrix Objective implies the Grandmaster as well.
Quote:Yellowjacket II: Time-travel makes this one confusing. Possibly Irish Wolfhound in the GoTG future, and something with Wonder Man/Hollywood, (was it there and then in the GoTG future, or was it supposed to be in his past/her [never-happened] future?). Also claimed something with Hank Pym, but appeared to have been lying.
This is the problem with hopping realities as well as time-travelling... I'm not sure what we count and don't.
Well, you could imply Vagabond, but I wouldn't.
Quote:Gilgamesh: Nothing known, although there's much speculation about the legendary Gilgamesh and his monstrous companion Enkidu (sp?)
The myth pretty much is clear that there were different temple prostitutes every night for Gil in those days. Adding in his multitude of other lives, we can figure on a pretty huge number.
Mr Fantastic: (1)
Invisible Woman: (1)
Aside from each other, nothing I know of.
Sue left Reed to go live with Namor at one point, but since Namor intentionally manipulated her to reunite her with Reed, I figure it's a safe bet they didn't have that sort of relationship at that time.
Reed and Alyssa Moy, on the other hand, is more likely.
Quote:Quasar: Kayla Ballantine is speculated, but seems highly unlikely. He had a fiancÃ©e, Jeanineâ€”did anything happen with them?
I think he and Kayla probably did have that sort of relationship, myself. His relationship with Kismet is a possibility, but, considering her reproductive methods, I'm not sure we can count it. There's some that would say it's pretty odd that Miguel Santos suddenly decided he was gay after spending months living in cramped quarters with Quasar, but I figure that joke's too easy.
Quote:US Agent: Possibly Kali Vries
Was the implication that he'd been involved that way with his old high school girlfriend that became a Playboy Playmate or not? I forget.
Quote:Human Torch I: Ann Raymond and Spitfire both speculated He slept with Llyra in the guise of Phoebe Marrs (1+?)
I, personally, don't buy the Ann Raymond bit, and am certain Spitfire was unrequited.
Quote:Sersi: In modern times, possibly Black Knight? Probably a number of others we don't know about.
I figure the Black Knight relationship was most likely during the Crusades, myself. Dr. Samuel Holden seemed to be likely. We know she wanted Cap, but I doubt anything came of that.
Quote:Spider-Man: Mary-Jane, and possibly the Black Cat (she claims so, anyway) (1-2).
I see no reason to doubt Felisha here. Actually, I think a lot of Parker's girlfriends post-Gwen are likely, in all honesty.
Quote:Stingray: his wife Diane (1)
Machine Man: Anatomically incorrect and proud of it (0)
I'm not so sure, post-Nextwave...
Quote:Rage: Nothing I know of (0)
He brought a date to the auction of the Venom symbiote that seemed almost certainly involved with him that way.
Quote:Living Lightning: Had his girlfriend Mona living with him at the AWC compound, to the shock of half the team. Strongly suggested that he was sleeping with his previous girlfriend Asuka too. Miguel has come out as a gay man, but no male lovers have been established as of yet (1-2)
I still say that it'd be best to forget that one-liner from GLA, but Slott seems committed to it, so...
Quote:Spider-Woman II: Her ex-husband Larry. No evidence either way on Moonraker. (1)
I think the implication was that she and the Shroud were involved before Civil War. I always got a vibe between her and US Agent, but I feel it wasn't ever acted on.
Quote:Crystal: Quicksilver, and Norm the estate agent (heavily implied but never outright stated). Despite the bashing of her, she didn't sleep with the Human Torch, nor Black Knight (you'd be missing the whole point of that storyline to think they had, too). (2?)
I see your point with the Black Knight, but we pretty much have to state that the Norm bit was certain. She did sleep with the Sentry, and is well on her way to being with Ronan, apparently.
Quote:Thunderstrike: His ex-wife Marcy Masterson-Steele. Also implied that he slept with Jackie Lukas/Bloodaxe (1+?)
His assistant Susan seemed to be interested in him, at least, but I can't recall if that went anywhere.
Quote:Darkhawk: Nothing I know of.
Turbo in the Loners miniseries, I feel.
Quote:Swordsman II: Magdalene, and possibly the Mantis from his timeline (who looked like Moondragon) (1+?)
Quote:AntiVision: Claims to have had an active life in his old body, yet failed to notice that his new body was anatomically incorrect...
Deathcry: Outside chance of Hercules
She made some rather graphic allusions to using androids in one issue, before the odd personality retcon she got kicked in.
Quote:Magdalene: Swordsman II, possibly Proctor (1-2?)
I interpret Proctor's lines from the opening bit of that as being likely.
Quote:Masque: No-one we know of
IF we buy she was Kris Degann, as was implied, we'd count Teen Tony.
Quote:Iron Boy: No-one we know of
Definitely Kris Degann, whoever she was, I feel.
Firestar: (0) Both still waiting until they're married
Several people have interpreted the bachelorette party in the issue they split up in as Angelica changing her mind, apparently. I haven't seen the issue myself.
Quote:Triathlon: No-one we know of
I could swear he said he had an ex-wife at one point in his origin comments.
Quote:Silverclaw: No-one we know of
Jack of Hearts: Marcy Kane during his days on Earth, but wasn't getting anywhere with space-nun Ganymede thanks to his power-problems and her choosing to hunt Tyrant over being with him. (1)
Ant-Man II: His ex-wife (Peggy), and Jessica Jones from Alias. Still lusts after the Purple Man? (2?)
Captain Britain II: Her ex-husband. She was possibly raped.
Luke Cage: Married to Jessica Jones. She-Hulk, Tigra, Jessica Drew, Harmony. Possibly Dr. Claire Temple.
I think Claire Temple's definite, and I think he had some other relationships as well there. I've heard someone say Dakota North, but I didn't get that vibe from the issues I read of her appearances in his 90s series. (I believe, by the way, that it was during Spider-Woman's depowered stage in the 90s and his period on the run from the law after being framed for Iron Fist's murder is when they hooked up.)
Quote:Spider-Woman: Luke Cage, apparently. Jerry Hunt (SHIELD agent), David Ishima (her landlord), that other Hydra guy (I forget his name but he was in Marvel Spotlight #32) She accidentally killed her boyfriend at 17 whose name escapes me at the moment. Jared was a romance when she was with HYDRA however he was ordered to start a romance with her so it was a one-sided love affair.
In Spider-Woman # 23, Tim Braverman, an L.A Times reporter who also moonlight as the criminal Gamesman, starts a romantic relationship with Jessica...(she doesn't know he is a costumed villain) they kiss on-panel, share a picnic, and she really falls hard for the guy, who unfortunately was only using her.
Her partner, Scotty McDaniel was in love with her, but she didnâ€™t return the feelings.
There was some implication of Wolverine during the 90s, during her depowered stage, IIRC.
Quote:Sentry: His wife, Lindy.
Is Lindy the Lois Lane knockoff being used in Age of Sentry as well? I can honestly say I wasn't paying enough attention...
Quote:Wolverine: It's probably easier to ask "Who hasn't Logan slept with?" Definites include Mystique, Tiger Tyger, Domino, The Native, some un-named woman from the Wolverine/Cable one-shot, and someone-whose-name-I-forget from the second Wolverine/Punisher miniseries, un-named mother of his un-named child from the Savage Land". Flex from Alpha Flight was supposed to be his son as well, but they never got around to actually saying so in the comics. The full list would likely surpass Tony Stark and steal his title as the Easiest Avenger. (6+, at a very conservative guess)
Possibly Mariko, Viper, Silver Fox, Warbird and Storm? Despite speculation and the cravings of the worst elements of fandom, Wolverine hasn't slept with Jean Grey and/or The Phoenix.
I doubt Storm, although there's a few comments in the Claremont run that makes me wonder. There have been a host of implications over the years. Yukio is certain from the Miller miniseries.
Quote:Ronin/Echo: Matt Murdock? Wolverine?
Quote:And now we have a bunch of new Avengers to include:
Misty Knight for sure. Were there women in K'un L'un at any point for him?
Clea and Night Nurse for sure. Morgana Blessing and Victoria Bentley, in some theories. He had an old girlfriend in Warren Ellis' run that seemed to have implied a physical relationship.
Aphrodite in myth, and probably a host of others, as a Greek god.
Quote:New Captain America/Bucky:
Black Widow, and maybe several others during the war.
Ignoring Sins Past, as all good-hearted people do, there's his wife, and the nurse from his post-Gathering of the Five recuperation.
Dr. Faustus, by the implications of her first appearance. Hawkeye. Some guards and technicians at Thunderbolts mountain. There have been some implications she and Leonard Sampson were together at one point.
Wasn't there an ex-wife of Gargan's?
I suspect Bullseye isn't into non-murderous interactions with human beings.
Wasn't Midas's daughter involved with him before his arrest?