Dave Galanter
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Reverend Meteor

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emerick man 

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: I know this is Avengers board heresy...but I side with Byrne
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 at 10:40:48 am EDT (Viewed 6 times)
Reply Subj: Re: It surely puts the 'oid' in Synthezoid...
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 at 06:46:27 pm EDT (Viewed 243 times)



      Infamous is right. Until this issue, Byrne could do no wrong in my eyes. But I was disgusted at what he did to the Vision.


        What bothered me the most is the disregard for the heaps of continuity that showed the Vision as a being of (synthetic) tissue, bone and blood. He was NEVER a mechanical robot until Byrne showed him dismantled on that table. Heck, there was a whole issue of Ant Man traveling through the interior of Vision's body, and I promise you it wasn't gears and circuitry.

    Yup! It is impossible for me to argue this point. What happened to the Vision, specifically, was horrendous & unbearable -now&then- but in general (do-no-wrong-80s-Byrne) comics were so good back then.

    And to be fair -for shock value- that ending was pretty effective and certainly had me standing by the spinner rack at the cornerstore for #44. Vizh definitely had a predominantly synthetic makeup - clearly seen from that example you cite and shown some here http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/avengers_8997.shtml but isn't it also possible that there was more 'android' parts to the synthezoid than we saw during that Kree/Skrull War ish? NOT that this Editorial okayed direction deserved/deserves a No-Prize out - was it ever addressed in-story subsequently at any point?

People don't want to admit this but Byrne did have a bit of a point.

Vision could not have been Jim Hammond. When Hank Pym shrank into Vision's body he saw mechanical parts. Jim was synthetic...his innards should have LOOKED human even if they were not in fact human...everything about Jim was made to look human. He even has something approximating blood cells if memory serves.

Pym's trip inside the Vision showed he was very much a machine on the inside.

Englehart's retcon was the bad retcon IMO. Jim couldn't have been the Vision because of what Pym saw inside the Vision's body in Roy Thomas's Avengers run.

I side with Byrne because I like Jim Hammond better than the Vision. Jim a golden age hero shouldn't be stripped of his identity just so Vision can lay claim to some convoluted backstory. Making Jim into the Vision was a bad call and that's what Byrne was trying to fix.

Maybe he could have done a better job and not turned the Vision into a copy of Commander Data but I for one liked Byrne's use of Jim.

    This would also raise the question of how much work did Ultron actually do on Vision if he was originally a temporal copy of Jim Hammond who should or should not have mechanics given his high temperature tolerance and currently known Golden Age origin.


    I miss Dad and Dan.

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