Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Nathan Summers

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Reverend Meteor

Subj: Re: Hickman's Avengers epic question
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 at 08:46:52 pm EST (Viewed 202 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Hickman's Avengers epic question
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 at 10:29:25 pm EST (Viewed 18 times)



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    Remind me what connected the Starchild to the Celestial Madonna. From what I remember the whole Starchild plot (a pregnant Celestial) was the thing I liked most about Hickman's SHIELD.

I can't remember the details now, but the title of the story "The Madness, the Star Child and the Celestial Madonna" implied an obvious attempt to connect to Englehart's earlier saga (which didn't involve Celestials in any way as Kirby hadn't created them by that stage).


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    I didn't dislike Hickman's Fantastic Four . I don't think it was as good as everyone claims it is but it's still better than anything anyone else has done with the Fantastic Four since Byrne. I liked New Avengers until the issue that revealed Rabum Alal was Doom...that killed all interest I had in the entire series...and I had been enjoying it. Secret Wars sucks worse than anything I've ever read.

So even worse than the original Secret Wars?


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    I did like the 2 SHIELD limited series though. It kind of reminded me of my favorite episode of the Venture Bros where it turns out the Guild of Calamitous Intent was founded by a secret society that included Mark Twain, Alestair Crowley, Oscar Wilde and that every great scientist and artist including Archimedes and Da Vinci has acquired the orb and improved upon it. I think the series may have even ripped the episode off...I seem to remember a floating orb Da Vinci designed being some sort of revelance in the SHIELD series.

Sounds like Hickman somewhat ripped it off. Englehart did similar in his aborted Dr Strange run, with the Occult History of America which hinted at Francis Bacon and Benjamin Franklin as members of the Hellfire Club (before Claremont created the contemporary one). I've posited some stuff on my blog about that story too (which Englehart himself came and commented on:)





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