Dave Galanter
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Nathan Summers

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Reverend Meteor

Subj: Re: Ultron question
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 at 10:24:38 pm EST (Viewed 186 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ultron question
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 at 08:33:50 pm EST (Viewed 7 times)

    One of my first comics ever was the one where Mockingbird shows Wanda's Vision's strewn out body in West Coast Avengers. That was literally my introduction to the character...the issue where we saw him disassembled. So I never had a lot of affection for Vision like everyone else. I kind of saw him as a toaster/dildo and found it creepy that Wanda had sex with him. So while everyone else hated Byrne's run on West Coast Avengers I was right there agreeing with him and enjoying it. Hell yeah dismantle Vision, get rid of those evil witchcraft babies and of course Wanda's crazier than an outhouse rat.

I get it. But it was a huge infringement on the previous character building that had been done with Vision. Have you since read Avengers #57?

    We're probably the only two people who didn't like Jim and Vision being the same person.

I know there are others;)

    To me making him the Vision wiped away Jim's autonomy and I really liked Jim in West Coast Avengers.

I completely agree.

    And to me Byrne's idea had merit...we were told Jim's systems were just synthetic versions of human organs...

The biggest problem re: OHT was Roy's later tale of him being able to save Jacqueline Farnsworth with a blood transfusion. I thought oil injections killed humans!?

    the stuff Pym saw when he shrank down into Vision's systems wasn't anything like a human's organs.

Yes I similarly noted that at the time of reading, so am befuddled how that plot point was used as the later justification for it being true.

    Vision always played up being a robot while Jim always played down being a robot.

Yep, which however is odd when you consider his brain patterns were based on those of Simon Williams. Mind you Wonder Man had a fairly wooden personality;)

    Vision is more interesting being his own thing anyways.

I agree with you 100%. But his being Adam II would have been cool too.

    Kurt Busiek's cop out resolution that Vision both was and wasn't Jim was worse than picking one side or the other.

Just as bad as his "every Crossing villain was a Space Phantom"!

    Ultron didn't know whose mind he was giving to Vision he just found the tape in Pym's possession (maybe a later retcon changed this). The procedure was never meant to give Vision Simon's memories nor did that happen.

No but he got his personality. And Simon redeemed himself before he died. So Ultron didn't do his research. Poor effort.

    I think there was something said about it creating brain pathways or something. Ultron needed a template to prevent Vision from being a drooling idiot or Jim Hammond but he intended to mold Vision from there.

Yeah but Ultron wasn't a drooling idiot. Why not use himself as the template but with some controls put in? Again the whole thing between Ultron and the Vision, and the Vision's origin needs a major clean-up.

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