Dave Galanter
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Unstable Molecule

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 01:46:19 pm EST (Viewed 329 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 10:52:27 am EST (Viewed 483 times)

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    I don't think the disgust for this story is overblown, even slightly. In fact, I think it doesn't get brought up enough.

    No, it wouldn't have been any better if the Supreme Intelligence was behind it. That's like asking whether it's better to be beaten to death with a hammer or a pipe. Either way, I'm still being beaten to death. The rape, itself, and the reactions of the team were what made the story so disgusting. It was horrible enough to put Carol through this, but on top of that, her team (her friends) acted completely, idiotically bizarre. To this day, I don't know how Carol sits with these people. I don't know how she trusts a single one of them to have her back in battle again.

I think the best out is just to say Marcus used his machines to influence the Avengers as well (Hawkeye and Iron Man's interaction on the last page in particular just seems nutty). If Marcus was influencing Carol into loving him then let's just take it a step further and say he influenced the Avengers into seeing his point of view.

That said...a part of me does feel like the Avengers really are this dense. Any time a heavy issue comes up for the female members like rape, unwanted pregnancy, spousal abuse etc the Avengers tend to drop the ball.

Reverend Meteor (come to think of it Marcus isn't just a rapist...he's also the product of rape between Immortus and some poor woman he brought to Limbo)

An interesting point of view. I recall Bendis saying in an interview (around the time of Avengers Disassembled) that the traditional Avengers were defined by their mishandling of events they took part in (referencing Avengers 200 and Annual #10 specifically). In Disassembled, Hawkeye berates the team for moving from crisis to crisis without really dealing with the emotional issues around them - essentially blaming the Avengers for Wanda's breakdown. Do you agree with Bendis' interpretation?

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