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Reverend Meteor

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Unstable Molecule

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Subj: Re: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 03:21:42 pm EST (Viewed 482 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 01:54:51 pm EST (Viewed 449 times)

    Avengers 200 is ridiculously tone-deaf. A woman is abducted, resists a seduction, has machines mind-control her into submitting to rape by the man who kidnapped her (an old enemy of the Avengers, by the way), gets pregnant from that rape, gives birth to her own rapist, is disgusted by her pregnancy and her child, watches that child grow into her adult rapist, and then gets a happily-ever-after ending with said rapist - and all her friends waved goodbye and felt great about it! If the writers really didn't see this as rape - what was wrong with them?

Slight correction. Marcus wasn't an old enemy of the Avengers...his father Immortus was. Marcus was conceived when Immortus did his own abduct a woman via time travel and rape her scenario. I think Marcus's mother was dying in a ship wreck when Immortus decided to snatch and woo her with mind bending technology. (you know I don't think Immortus cared much for Marcus...I don't think Immortus has ever talked about him).

    If there were two issues where the Avengers went completely off the rails, it was Avengers 200 (Carol's ordeal) and Avengers 213 (the infamous Hank Pym issue). Neither issue should have seen print.

I know 213 is infamous...but I think it's actually a GOOD issue. This was before the whole member of a super hero group goes bad or falls from grace fad a few years later. I thought the issues leading up to it were well...stinky...but that issue itself had one of the most interesting plots. Before that we were getting stuff about the Weathermen, some elf queen and a resurrection stone...yuk. To me that whole period was a bit of a slump until the slap.

And personally I loved the way Jan told Hank off in the next issue. Jan was oddly enough better off for the experience. If she hadn't stood up for herself and ditched Hank I don't think I could have seen her as Avengers leader later on. She asserted herself after that.

I guess if you like Hank issue 213 was horrible. But if you're like me and think Hank Pym is a burden that brings everyone around him down it reinforced how you feel about him.

Hank Pym is like Jerry from Rick and Morty.

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