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Dingers

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Menshevik

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Subj: Re: Do you want the three Avengers books to resume after the weekly series ends?
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 11:48:52 am EST (Viewed 91 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Do you want the three Avengers books to resume after the weekly series ends?
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 at 11:13:31 am EST (Viewed 122 times)

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    I absolutely don't. I would rather have a weekly Avenger book.



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    First of all, I don't like the Unity concept. Never did. The Avengers have pretty much always had gods, monsters, mutants, Inhumans (Crystal), Eternals (Sersi), androids, aliens (Starfox), and any other category that could be named. The Avengers (no adjective) have pretty much always been the unity team. The country's, the planet's, the solar system's unity team. It's part of the very essence of what it means to be an Avenger. Yes, I know, Avengers versus X-Men happened. Like forever ago. Who even cares about that story any more? The Unity concept only makes sense in the context of that story. That's a poor rationale for an ongoing series if it's really intended to be ongoing. I mean, yeah, I know, Rogue - but Rogue could be in the weekly Avengers book. She doesn't need the Unity concept.



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    As for USAvengers, I really like the AIM angle, mainly because I'm in love with Iron Patriot, but also I love the idea that AIM could switch sides from Chaotic Evil to Lawful Good so easily because all they care about is funding for their super-science - the perfect example of Neutral Neutral - so if the book stays true to that core concept, I will probably buy it in the future. I didn't know it had that core concept. I would rather it go back to its old name, "Avengers Idea Mechanics," but with its current roster possibly minus Squirrel Girl, although actually, the more I think about it, the more I think Squirrel Girl could work in this context. She is, after all, a serious computer scientist of real ability. But if she quits, no biggie, really, especially since she'll definitely pop up elsewhere, as any team would be glad to have her, in case Galactus shows up.



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    As for the adjectiveless Avengers book - well yeah, that has to continue.



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    All in all, I prefer a weekly Avengers book. I probably won't buy the Unity book if it starts up again, because I don't care about the unity concept. I probably will buy what I hope will be called "Avengers Idea Mechanics."


Your idea does not appeal to me. For starters it would triple my monthly expenditure for Avengers team books (or, to be nitpicky, it would see that the increased expense caused by the current Avengers event would continue) because before Avengers: No Surrender I only had Uncanny Avengers on my pull list. A similar thing applies to your suggestion to amalgamate the various X-Men team books into one monthly title. From where I'm standing, both projects have the main effect of forcing me to spend more money on comics for the privilege of reading stories about characters that don't interest or appeal to me sufficiently for me to read the books in which they appear voluntarily.

Secondly, I think the change would cause unnecessary frictions and headaches on the creative side. As things were, the writers of the various Avengers (and X-Men) team books had a certain degree of creative freedom because their particular team only intermittently interacted with the others (usually in the context of a major crossover event). With the new system there's a much greater potential for conflict among the writers involved over the use and fate of certain characters etc. Also, under the old system a writer would usually deal with a manageable cast (usually about a handful, generally less than ten), and many if not most of the characters involved would be characters they wanted to write. With the new system you would not only have a larger and much more unwieldy cast, but also an increased likelihood that the writer would not actually care for several of the characters assigned to him or her. And with the conflicts among the writers involved one might eventually come to a situation where editorial decides that they'd prefer one writer to take over entirely, and a situation like the one we've seen with Dan Slott on Amazing Spider-Man is not something I would wish on the Avengers or the X-Men.

Personally, I prefer a situation where the different teams have distinct identities. Heck, I preferred it when the different Spider-Man titles had distinct characteristics. Making them all part of one big thing could easily lead to a deadening sense of "sameness", eroding the things that otherwise readers might find attractive.

As for the Unity Squad...
I think you're doing yourself a disservice by refusing to read the book because of the concept for which they were set up. They have long evolved beyond that and at the moment, where they are a team that exists because the members want to stay together without reference to the Avengers Charter etc., they are IMO actually closer in spirit to the Defenders (the "non-team" team).

Which is not to say that the Unity concept was a bad thing (the problem with early Uncanny Avengers was not the Unity concept but Rick Remender). Yes, the Avengers have had e.g. mutant members since the 1960s, but at the beginning that was not "sold" as a political statement and the mutant Avengers hardly ever got to talk about anti-mutant prejudice, discrimination or other aspects of "mutant politics". As a team, the Avengers were not really interested and took no public position. And in the beginning they were clearly a team sanctioned by the US government (Avengers ID cards are signed by the US President (1)), so despite allowing non-Americans to join, they were not really a "unity team" for Earth as a whole. So the Unity Squad was useful both with respect to making a statement to the general public and also in order to get people who came from different "camps" to collaborate.(2)

(1) At least they were until recently. They're probably too small for the present incumbent's signature.
(2) In earlier days the mutant, foreign etc. members of the Avengers tended to be people who rarely defined themselves by their identity. Wanda and Pietro had left the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants behind them and were happy to become part of a new surrogate family (anti-mutant prejudice did not really become an issue outside the X-Men until the 1980s). The Black Widow after stopping to be a Soviet spy effectively became a naturalized American with only negligible ties to her old country. Captain Mar-Vell defected from the Kree armed forces and cut his ties to his old home to live on Earth and Titan. The Black Panther did not have much to say about racial politics in the pages of The Avengers (that was relegated to his solo stories). The Falcon was presented as feeling uncomfortable about becoming an Avenger becasue of a quota mandated by the US government...



The one thing that needs to happen is made clear the status of an Avenger. I think the picture of the torn Avenger Charter (which was thrown out in the volume 1 era) is symbolic that the way things were for the Avengers are over. Things will be new and different.

Avengers World : This should have happened after the Avengers went into space and Thanos came to Earth. A team of Avengers that are formed to prevent the extraterrestrial threat. Agent Brand and few heroes from different parts of the world and from other teams joining the team.

Avengers Assemble: Book that assembles team ups, small and medium groups of current, past members and include on occasion perspective members who have never or seldom worked together. Current and former leaders of the Avengers leading the team.

New Avengers: The Young Avengers (though I think they joined in Avengers #1/568 vol. IV) headline the book with 2-3 veterans helping to train and check in on the team. They train and operate at the Avengers Academy.

Avengers: Supernatural Doctor Strange is asked to form a group of mystics to battle the mystic threats that threaten our reality.

Avengers : Main team of the book that is Occupy, Uncanny and the main team.

Avengers: Initiative The USAvengers, some from Secret Avengers (Steve's and S.H.I.E.L.D.S) operate from the helicarrier.


Dingers




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