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Subj: Re: To what extent do you think of these characters as Avengers?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 04:13:47 pm EST (Viewed 316 times)
Reply Subj: Re: To what extent do you think of these characters as Avengers?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:48:18 am EST (Viewed 318 times)


      The idea of Medusa as an Avenger is ludicrous. Her first loyalty will always be to Black Bolt, her second to Attilan, and her third to her cousins. The Avengers will always at best be a distant fourth.

    Maybe Attilan first, Black Bolt second (she sort of showed this post-Infinity).

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. Yes, Attilan is first.

    But I don't think that means much. I'm pretty sure Cap's first loyalty is to the United States. Think about it: if the Avengers decided to pull an Authority? Cap's taking them out, or dying trying.

Here's the difference: The interests of Attilan could differ radically from those of the human race.

Cap's first loyalty is to the human race. Sure, he has an "A" on his forehead, but that doesn't mean he'd choose the USA over humanity. He definitely would not. Medusa would choose Attilan over humanity.

    And every spouse should be a primary loyalty. If I were a cop, my first loyalty would still be to my wife before anyone wearing a badge, unless she did something to end that loyalty.

True. I wasn't formulating clear thoughts when I talked about Black Bolt and Medusa's cousins. It's only her loyalty to Attilan that makes Medusa a ludicrous Avenger.

    I think you really meant "duty" not "loyalty." I think heads of state have other things to concern themselves so shouldn't try to be heroes, except to direct threats against their nations.

That's a reasonable restatement of my thesis. "Loyalty" is to the heart what "duty" is to the head.

Thing is, Atlantis has attacked humanity. I don't recall if the Inhumans ever attacked humanity but I know they wouldn't flinch from it if their own interests were best served by doing so.

Wakanda hasn't attacked humanity nor even the United States. If that situation ever changed, the Panther's membership in the Avengers would immediately come into question.

Here's another wrinkle. If the USA attacked humanity, Cap would fight against the USA. If Asgard attacked humanity, Thor would fight against Asgard. Neither man would find it easy to take such a stand, but both men would. Medusa wouldn't. If Attilan attacked humanity, Medusa would probably be their war chief.

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