Dave Galanter
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Grey Gargoyle

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Menshevik

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Subj: Re: Catwoman and Marvel's Black Cat
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 at 06:18:24 pm EDT (Viewed 70 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Catwoman and Marvel's Black Cat
Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 at 05:48:15 pm EDT (Viewed 78 times)



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    Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this matter.


Yes.


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    For my tastes that is a little too vague, as both aspects are extremely common, so it would be like saying that every super-strong superhero who is also able to fly is a rip-off of Superman and every masked non-powered cape-wearer with a secret identity is a rip-off of Zorro. On some level it may be considered true, but it's not terribly useful.


Yes & no.

It depends how people perceive originality.

For example, I have a hard time to consider that Sexton Blake is really different from Sherlock Holmes but I have no problem to consider that Lisbeth Salander has an added value. It is my perception of these characters.

And yet Lisbeth is a Sherlock Holmes but, as for me, she is sufficiently different from the mold, so I see her as a novelty.

In the case of Black Cat, I don't see the added value compared to Catwoman.

As for me, it is the same taste, the same flavor, etc. She is a knockoff. On the contrary, I don't believe that Cat's Eye (the manga) is a knockoff because the story of the 3 sisters is different from Catwoman & Black Cat. I perceive an added value.

The articles on the internet didn't convince me. In my eyes, she is clearly a rip off. If I was a lawyer or a judge, that would be my conclusion.

That's the difficulty of these cases. There is a part of subjectivity involved that some people can consider totally unfair.

It is obvious that if it is an archetype, it is in the public domain. Ok. So, in this case, I am not sure that DC Comics would get some money from Marvel Comics.

But with all due respect for Marv Wolfman & for all the characters that he created, in this case, he was not prudent and he was lucky.

I honestly believe that it would have been possible to build a case.

In the case of Superman vs Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), there were significant differences between the two characters: the source of power, Batson being a teenager, etc. and yet, it didn't stop DC Comics from suing Fawcett.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Comics_Publications,_Inc._v._Fawcett_Publications,_Inc.
Not only that, but back then, they also sued Will Eisner & Fox Publications for Wonder Man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Man_(Fox_Publications)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_Comics,_Inc._v._Bruns_Publications,_Inc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Man_(Fawcett_Comics)
Oh, how the times have changed?



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