Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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BMK!

Subj: Re: It is very important
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 01:37:03 pm EST (Viewed 1 times)
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> > Sure the Joker is Batman's opposite, but without the Joker's origin the connection is only aesthetic, it is not definitive.
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> I disagree. The dichotomy between Batman & Joker had been established for decades before The Killing Joke, effectively and well-defined.
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In fact, I'll go as far to say that, as much as I have enjoyed the Killing Joke, it is by no means an effective or even necessary origin for a character such as the Joker.
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> In fact, I'll go as far to say that, as much as I have enjoyed the Killing Joke, it is by no means an effective or even necessary origin for a character such as the Joker.
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Really? The origin humanizes the Joker and makes it so that the reader realizes that just about anyone, including Bruce under the right circumstances could have become an insane monster. Without that where is the connection? Where is the motivation for Joker's insane actions? Where is the reason for Joker's and Batman's roots being tied together?

It is more than necessary, it is paramount, the same way Batman: Year One was.

It is more than effective considering it is one of the greatest Batman stories of all time, it was referenced in The Batman animated series, Christopher Nolan used it as source material for his new film, it has stood the test of time and it has been one of the big bestsellers of DC.

This is not Batman: Confidential written by Michael Green or All-Star Batman and Robin by Frank Miller, this is Batman: The Killing Joke by Alan Moore that is considered the greatest comic book writter that ever lived by most of the world.

Without Batman: The Killing Joke, we got Tim Burton's cliched ganster by a stereotypical Jack Nicholson performance of a madman and Bruce Timm's crazy mobster assasin that for no reason became a jester.

Batman: The Killing Joke is the climax of the Joker's story that brings every great Joker story in focus and concludes the Joker's story. From his first appearance, to the remake The Man Who Laughs, to the Joker's Five Way Revenge, to the Laughing Fish, The Killing Joke ties up all the threads perfectly into the ultimate ending.

After Batman: The Killing Joke there are no more great Joker stories, those stories are about an impostor, not about the real Joker.






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