Dave Galanter
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Omar Karindu

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Blue Beetle

Subj: Re: Underused rogues
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:39:24 pm EST (Viewed 4 times)
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> > I recently got to read Hugo Strange's first appearance, back in the Golden Age. I liked it a lot.
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> I've never read his first appearance, where he uses the fog machine, but the Monster Men story from Batman #1 is a true classic.


Both are great! \:\)

> > > They were in a Detective arc not too long ago, now in the Death in the City trade. I'm fond of the Terrible Trio myself though. \:\)
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> > I think it was the Detective arc that revealed the three rows of teeth. \:\)
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> And seemed to dispose of the Shark in favor of Warren "Great" White.


Yes, but this is comics, and anyone can wear an animal head or get two new rows of teeth put in. \:\)


> > I'm partial to these guys because the very first Silver Age Batman comic I ever got to read had them in it! But also they scratch my itch for flamboyant gangsters. \:\)
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> It does seem as if Two-Face and Black Mask -- before he became a charbroiled version of the Red Skull -- have sewn that niche up for most writers. It's a shame, since those guys are utterly nuts and lack the sense of cleverness the Trio have at their best.


I agree! Really I think the whole concept of "flamboyance" is alien to most current writers.


> > > I'm pretty sure the Obeah Man's dead, but he DID have one. \:\) That one even killed Robin's mom, didn't he?
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> > I have a vague recollection of that name, but no picture to go with it, except one that I think I'm conjuring up out of my own imagination.
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> He was a creepy voudon type with a top hat and ragged coat, though of course his "magic" was simpyl a knowledge of native poisons and so on.


I could swear I remember this guy. I want to say Jim Aparo drew him?


> > I'd like him to have a Fu-Manchu kind of enemy. Heck, DC should stick it to Marvel and get the rights to Fu-Manchu himself! He'd make a terrific foe for Batman. I wouldn't bother with Dennis Nayland Smith, since Batman would be filling that role. But I think I'd find a way to make Alfred prominent in the stories. Wouldn't it be wild if Alfred, as a younger man, had a romantic fling with Fu-Manchu's daughter? \:\)
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> In other, words, Ra's al Ghul and his daughter Fah Lo Su -- err, Talia. Prior to the current arc, Ra's basically is Fu transplanted to the Middle East, isn't he? He's a mysterious immortal from an "exotic" part o the world with a pseudoscience, pseudomagic setup and a daughter who ambiguously loves the hero.


I thought of that. But Rhas has never struck me as insidious, malevolent, diabolical, sadistic. I think it's obvious that certain plot elements from Sax Rohmer's classic were incorporated into Rhas, but the man himself bears little resemblance spiritually to Fu-Manchu.


> > Hmm. I'll have to think about those. They have super powers, so as a general rule I'd avoid them, but Gentleman Ghost seems a nice opportunity for a Batman/Deadman team-up. Actually, my recollection of Gentleman Ghost is hazy. Is he a real ghost?
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> These days, very much so.


You mean he didn't used to be, but DC recently killed him?



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> > > Hmm. I'll have to think about those. They have super powers, so as a general rule I'd avoid them, but Gentleman Ghost seems a nice opportunity for a Batman/Deadman team-up. Actually, my recollection of Gentleman Ghost is hazy. Is he a real ghost?
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> > These days, very much so.
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> You mean he didn't used to be, but DC recently killed him?
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No, I mean that for most of Pre-Crisis it was kept relatively ambiguous. Tony Isabella's "just-before-Crisis" Hawkman work confirmed his ghostliness.

A spectral version turned up in the post-Crisis Doug Moench Spectre series. After Zero Hour, though, a very human and decidedly normal jewel thief named Jim Craddock was seen in a single issue of the mid-90s Hawkman series and a cameo in Underworld Unleashed.

However, the latest Hawkman series by Geoff Johns firmly established the Ghost as...well, a ghost fromt he 19th century. And since then, he's displayed increasing supernatural powers, culminating in a colossal plot to destroyt he JSA by sendign the spectres of past foes and allies against them before the virginal Stargirl banished the Gentleman Ghost from the mortal plane.

- Omar Karindu

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