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TJ Burns

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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: Re: If you were the current writer of a Batman book, what would you do with the Penguin ?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 08:21:33 pm EDT (Viewed 155 times)
Reply Subj: If you were the current writer of a Batman book, what would you do with the Penguin ?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 at 01:15:32 pm EDT (Viewed 199 times)

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What are your ideas on the topic ?

Do you like him or do you hate him ?

What do you think of his current portrayal ?

Should he be a freak of nature (the Batman Returns version) ?

If the answer is yes, do you think that he should have hands with five fingers or not ?

Do you like Tim Sale & Jeph Loeb's version, for example ?
(Combination of all the previous portrayals + Tim Burton's "flippers with 3 fingers" + little sharp teeth were added)

Or Eduardo Risso's version ?
(Combination of all the previous portrayals with 5 normal fingers + little sharp teeth were still added)

Or variants : for example, Tony Daniel or Philip Tan ?

On the contrary, should he look like Bob Kane's version ?

Should he be a mob boss ? and still the owner of the Iceberg Lounge ?

Do you like him or do you hate him ?

Would you ignore him (he would never appear in your book) ?

Would you even kill him (the "last" Penguin's crime) ?

On the contrary, would you keep him and change things about him ? what would they be ?

What do you think would make him an interesting villain ?

Could he be portrayed as a very smart villain (a "Napoleon" of crime, for example) ?

Should he deserve a better portrayal ?

Do you think that he is outdated ?

Et cetera.

Please, give me your thoughts about this character who has been one of Batman's most famous archcriminals since the Golden Age.

PS :
By the way, it has never been explained why the Penguin had flippers with 3 fingers in Dark Victory (like in Batman Returns) and 5 normal fingers in most other stories.
Should it be explained ?
For example, could he have had some help in the past from the Crime Doctor or from Thomas Elliot ?

1.) What are your ideas on the topic ?

The Penguin may be the smartest of Batman's foes, but his raw manipulativeness, intricate plots, and sheer style has largely been co-opted by the Riddler in recent years. We need to see the Penguin used as the genius he is more often.

2.) Do you like him or do you hate him ?

I love the guy. GREAT villain.

3.) What do you think of his current portrayal ?

He's wasted a lot these days. While I like the Penguin outwitting the law routinely with his fake business, he should still try and match wits with Batman more often, and his brains need to be played up more.

4.) Should he be a freak of nature (the Batman Returns version) ?

No. Not at all. Totally misses the point. Even IF the Penguin's a freak of nature, it should be played the way that Ostrander used him in Suicide Squad: Yeah, he's got some benign mutations that have absolutely NOTHING to do with what makes him dangerous, only there to help him be awesome in scenarios his enemies didn't see coming.

5.) If the answer is yes, do you think that he should have hands with five fingers or not ?

The flippers bit is just stupid.

6.) Do you like Tim Sale & Jeph Loeb's version, for example ?
(Combination of all the previous portrayals + Tim Burton's "flippers with 3 fingers" + little sharp teeth were added)

Not a fan of this take at all.

7.) Or Eduardo Risso's version ?
(Combination of all the previous portrayals with 5 normal fingers + little sharp teeth were still added)

Still kinda hate it.

8.) On the contrary, should he look like Bob Kane's version ?

Mostly, yes.

9.) Should he be a mob boss ? and still the owner of the Iceberg Lounge ?

I like the Iceberg Lounge setting, but I'd have the Penguin as more of a freelance mob consultant than a "boss"... he looks down on that sort far too much to aspire to be one.

10.) Do you like him or do you hate him ?

I'm a fan.

11.) Would you ignore him (he would never appear in your book) ?

I'd never ignore him... he'd be a regular villain in my Bat-titles.

12.) Would you even kill him (the "last" Penguin's crime) ?

I'd never kill the character. He's actually completely unreplaceable.

13.) On the contrary, would you keep him and change things about him ? what would they be ?

The Penguin needs to have his intelligence respected. John Ostrander's use of him as master-planner in the Suicide Squad shows it... he's the smartest guy in his world of crime. He's also completely and utterly sane. He isn't playing a game with Batman, or acting out for attention or in protest. The Penguin wants large amounts of money, beautiful women, and the finer things in life. If he can avoid Batman's attention, he'll do it. He's the master of distraction, and convuluted schemes... Bruce should be hard-pressed to catch him doing ANYTHING illegal until he inevitably over-reaches himself.

14.) What do you think would make him an interesting villain ?

See Monech and Ostrander's runs. Or Englehart. There he is... a genius supervillain that it TAKES the World's Greatest Detective to catch.

15.) Could he be portrayed as a very smart villain (a "Napoleon" of crime, for example) ?

Absolutely. My idea is that the Penguin should be the go-to schemer for any criminal organization for a take of the proceeds, while pretending to be a respectable businessman. When Batman catches him, he slips the charges with flimflammery and clever scheming.

16.) Should he deserve a better portrayal ?

Absolutely.

17.) Do you think that he is outdated ?

The fact that he ISN'T insane or a freak makes him not fit in with Bruce's usual lot... but that could make him a breath of fresh air in the title. I also think the Penguin deliberately affects a position of outdatedness, in order to throw his enemies off their game.

By the way, it has never been explained why the Penguin had flippers with 3 fingers in Dark Victory (like in Batman Returns) and 5 normal fingers in most other stories.

Yep: Dark Victory isn't in continuity. \:\)


TJB


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