Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Quinn

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Subj: Re: Batman and Robin #7...
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39:42 pm EDT (Viewed 5 times)
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 07:08:59 am EDT (Viewed 271 times)

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Cannot say my opinion of Damien, particularly his successes at age 10, are much different from yours as presented pre and post FP. Although his pre-pubescent Guy Gardner personality has been a fun read - at times (like, eg. interacting with Steph and Kara). Must say that his scene in this issue did have dramatic impact though, considering it only as part of this story arc. The vagueness of his new nu52 history however further offsets any appreciation how he has lasted this long as top 10 assassin and distractingly puts too much wonder in Boy Wonder. More backstory details may help but if Robin justs alienates any fanbase as you allude then is there a point to keeping him around? Curious what other BMBers think.

Do not think you are that wrong with your Cap post either. Although, specifically Cap and Namor have satisfactory established reasons to still be around. Even Torch, ignoring the severity of his multiple 'shut downs'. However the JSA and the other Timely Heroes still kicking around is a pain.

Interesting Ra's catch - will have to go reread that...

I'm not saying Damien is alienating the fanbase. He's certainly alientated me, but I'm an old fogey who believes heroes should be heroic and their flaws shouldn't have a body count.

But if you're going to claim to be writing comics at a new and more sophisticated level, then you can't handwave stuff that you could in the old days. Having 10 year olds kill is serious. Having Bruce do nothing, and as far as I know I haven't seen one scene where he shows Damien affection and talk about right and wrong and santity of life (the three Robins having popcorn scene doesn't count. Tim and Dick were there, and while it wasn't beating the kid, it wasn't a heart to heart where Bruce actually expressed affection). Morals are learned, and turning a boy into a soldier in a war on crime is incredibly selfish and immoral and cruel and short-sighted and the sign of a dangerous, emotionally stunted mind at work. Before Bruce saves the world, why doesn't he do the hard work of saving his "son". (I believe Morrison has an endgame that will result in Damien going away, probably sacrificing himself to prevent him from becoming evil Batman).

Anyway a lot of fans seem to be cool with Damien, Bruce being a dick to his own "son" and ignoring the implications of Bruce Wayne having a heretofore heir no ones knows about. I mean the press isn't asking questions, no one is asking who the mother is. You know all the stuff that would happen if Rupert Murdoch (not to pick on Rupert, but he commands a big family run empire that has heirs jocking for position and the addition of another one would make the papers).

I take that to be bad writing. Actions have consequences and failure to explore them is bad storytelling.

Or I could be wrong.


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