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Subj: Re: Gotham's "Joker" won't be called "the Joker"
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 at 10:10:53 am EDT (Viewed 377 times)
Reply Subj: Gotham's "Joker" won't be called "the Joker"
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 at 12:15:56 pm EDT (Viewed 484 times)



    Pretty dumb if you ask me. Why even introduce the character if he's not going to be called the Joker? If he's not going to be called the Joker, then there really is no point in the character showing up. He's just another insane lunatic who laughs a lot. Looks like the show runners just gave us a guy who laughs and looks like the Joker but won't be called the Joker "because he isn't actually the Joker". This makes this nothing more than cleverly disguised fan service by making the fans "think" they got the Joker without actually giving the fans what they want. It's like being given a candy made of carob and being told it's chocolate.

    Dumb...just dumb.

I am not exactly what you might call a fan of the Gotham show.
I like the Penguin, Riddler & Hugo Strange but couldn't care less about some of the other characters (especially Gordon himself).

Still, I've liked Cameron Monaghan's performance as Jerome Valeska.

Here is the problem : right from the start, they have told us that we were in a pre-Batman city and also in a pre-Joker city.

Neither Batman nor Joker will appear before the last episode of the show.

Since they wanted the concept of the Joker to appear nevertheless, they created three potential precursors :
- the members of the Red Hood Gang
- Jerome Valeska
- the copycats who started to worship Jerome after his "first death".
Even in comics, the Joker himself says said that he prefers to have "multiple pasts".

Cameron Monaghan's performance was so good that it became clear that if anybody on the show had to become the Joker it should be him.
Since they had already said that Jerome wasn't the true Joker, then the proto-Joker had to be a twin of Jerome Valeska and, thus, Jeremiah Valeska. The first name of the twin was probably chosen to refer to Jeremiah Arkham in the comics.

Thus, Jerome might be dead and Jeremiah his successor but the Joker won't appear yet as an antagonist because the creators of the show consider that the two archenenemies should appear nearly at the same time. Since Bruce Wayne is still too young to become Batman, Gotham's creators will continue to use the proto-Joker as an idea, an abstract concept, which corrupts the mind of people in the city. Jeremiah isn't the Joker yet, even though he might be the best suspect.

So, the show has recycled an idea borrowed from the Dark Knight Trilogy but it is used with the Joker instead of the Dark Knight & the League of Shadows : you cannot kill a symbol and a legend is more than just a man.

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