Dave Galanter
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DH the Lurker

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Loren

Subj: Re: gah! its out of order!
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 01:58:30 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: gah! its out of order!
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 07:00:31 pm EDT

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> It skips over the Kirby issues! I know the Jungle Action Klan story is important to keep together, so I propose only the first arc of Jungle action be in essential BP volume one, and the whole arc and the ensuing issues of Kirby panther be in volume 2!

Yeah, I know it skips Kirby. I took that into consideration when I originally put this list together a year and a half ago. I had a few reasons for doing so.

First is that the Kirby issues very much stand alone. They don't, to my knowledge, utilize much prior BP continuity, and Kirby established a bunch of new material; and then what Kirby established was subsequently ignored and contradicted by the BP stories that followed. Second is that the Kirby issues have already been collected by themselves, which is where I think they belong.

Third is that they mess up the publication order, and make it difficult to properly fill out a volume. You've included some of issues of other books where BP guest-starred, and I originally considered using those myself. But they're just ordinary guest-spots, not written by any regular BP writer. And the Astonishing Tales issues aren't even self-contained. I'm pretty sure DC's policy with Showcase Presents would exclude these issues, so that's what I had in mind.

> (Why is Dazzler getting an Essential before BP?)

I happen to think that's the wrong question to ask. With its Showcase Presents program, DC released volumes of Metamorpho, Elongated Man, Jonah Hex, House of Mystery, and even the Haunted Tank long before they got around to the first volumes of Wonder Woman and the Flash.

I like seeing Marvel do some niche titles, and I wish they'd step outside the superhero market and collect some of their Western books. So the mere fact that Dazzler got an Essential first doesn't bother me. Rather, the problem is that Marvel has had the Essential program for 10 years, and still hasn't done a Black Panther book (or Nick Fury, or Namor). In its first two years, I think DC will have had a volume for every first-tier and second-tier Silver Age superhero.

Marvel's fault lies in pacing its Essentials so poorly, focusing so heavily on its big-name characters and neglecting its second-tier. Thus resulting in things like 4 volumes of Wolverine that stretch halfway into the '90s, but only 2 volumes each of Silver Age Iron Man and Dr. Strange.

> > It skips over the Kirby issues! I know the Jungle Action Klan story is important to keep together, so I propose only the first arc of Jungle action be in essential BP volume one, and the whole arc and the ensuing issues of Kirby panther be in volume 2!

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> Yeah, I know it skips Kirby. I took that into consideration when I originally put this list together a year and a half ago. I had a few reasons for doing so.

>

> First is that the Kirby issues very much stand alone. They don't, to my knowledge, utilize much prior BP continuity, and Kirby established a bunch of new material; and then what Kirby established was subsequently ignored and contradicted by the BP stories that followed.



Valid points. However, I think the Kirby issues need to be essentialized because 1) they are the first self-titled BP solo series, 2) they're not ignored by Priest, and 3) IMHO it's silly to jump to #14 of the series, people will wonder whats being left out.





>Second is that the Kirby issues have already been collected by themselves, which is where I think they belong.



Personally I think it's a travesty that no Jungle Action stories have been reprinted yet. Anyway, the Kirby issues deserve to be essentialized just like all the other BP solo tales.



> Third is that they mess up the publication order, and make it difficult to properly fill out a volume. You've included some of issues of other books where BP guest-starred, and I originally considered using those myself. But they're just ordinary guest-spots, not written by any regular BP writer. And the Astonishing Tales issues aren't even self-contained. I'm pretty sure DC's policy with Showcase Presents would exclude these issues, so that's what I had in mind.



You're right, it is difficult to fill out volume one the way I did it without dipping into some somewhat extraneous issues. There's also the option of going right to the end of Jungle Action to #24, start volume 2 with BP #1, and let people catch up and sort it all out in their heads just like when it came out decades ago. Either way, DD #69 should be included, as it was put out as JA #23!



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> > (Why is Dazzler getting an Essential before BP?)

>

> I happen to think that's the wrong question to ask. With its Showcase Presents program, DC released volumes of Metamorpho, Elongated Man, Jonah Hex, House of Mystery, and even the Haunted Tank long before they got around to the first volumes of Wonder Woman and the Flash.

>

> I like seeing Marvel do some niche titles, and I wish they'd step outside the superhero market and collect some of their Western books. So the mere fact that Dazzler got an Essential first doesn't bother me. Rather, the problem is that Marvel has had the Essential program for 10 years, and still hasn't done a Black Panther book (or Nick Fury, or Namor). In its first two years, I think DC will have had a volume for every first-tier and second-tier Silver Age superhero.

>

> Marvel's fault lies in pacing its Essentials so poorly, focusing so heavily on its big-name characters and neglecting its second-tier. Thus resulting in things like 4 volumes of Wolverine that stretch halfway into the '90s, but only 2 volumes each of Silver Age Iron Man and Dr. Strange.



At least Luke Cage has gotten 2 essentials out. Wish they'd get to some of the more hard to find stuff like Captain Britain, Adam Warlock, and the like. And I know I'll have to wait a long time to see an Essential Speedball or Essential Darkhawk!







DH the Lurker

(Wonders if Don McGregor would ever come back to write Black Panther)


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