Dave Galanter
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Thatguy

In Reply To
vermin

Subj: And you, Hudlin, live up to your chosen handle nn/t
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 02:25:49 pm EDT
Reply Subj: And as you can see, Thatguy continue to "keep hope alive." nm
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 02:23:13 pm EDT

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> > There's little comparison between the flame of a match, and that of a bonfire, though. Hudlin clearly uses crossovers to a far greater extent than Priest ever did (to clarify, the 'Nuff Said issue was mandated by >all editors on all ongoing series).
>
> I don't think it was necessarily mandated that everyone had to participate. There were some mainstream Marvel Universe series that month that didn't participate. As for Priest not using crossovers as much as Hudlin, I don't recall that many crossovers taking place in the Marvel U proper back then as there are now. MAXIMUM SECURITY is the only one I can think of (which the Panther participated in), and that only lasted 3 months if I remember correctly. CIVIL WAR lasted seven, and now we've got the INITIATIVE follow-up as well as WORLD WAR HULK (although I don't think the BLACK PANTHER title is crossing over with WWH).
>
> > And while Priest did use guest stars quiet a bit, he did so in a manner that complimented the plots, not with an eye towards who was popular that month. Brother Voodoo, Moon Knight, Dakota North, hardly characters who draw a crowd ;\)
>
> Neither are Blade, Luke Cage, Shang-Chi, Falcon, the Inhumans, or the aforementioned Brother Voodoo, all of whom have guested in the current run.
> >
> > Even the more popular guest stars were there for fluid plot reasons. When Cap guest starred because if his historical connection to T'Challa, Wolverine gueststarred so that he could get Alpha Flight off Panther's back, etc.
> > >
>
> With T'Challa's marriage and relationship to Storm, its not unlikely that the X-Men would show up in his title. Other than them, the only "big name" guest-stars that have shown up were as guests at the wedding, or as part of the Civil War storyline.
>
>
> > Agreed, but IMO it should be in a more fluid and natural manner. In Priest's book, people came to T'Challa. In Hudlin, T'Challa goes to >them. In my opinion, at least.
>
> Well, again, I guess it depends on what you mean by "fluid." For example, when the Panther went to New Orleans and fought vampires, I didn't think it was unusual that Blade would show up -- nor that two heroes based in New Orleans (Brother Voodoo and Monica Rambeau) would appear.
>
> And not to bash Priest here, whose work I love, but if I remember correctly, didn't Black Goliath, the Falcon, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Brother Voodoo just kinda "show up" in one issue? Didn't he have the Hulk dancing in a nightclub? That didn't seem kinda forced to you?:-)
>
> > >
> > > As for the definition of success, I'd say if a title is selling well enough that its in no immediate danger of cancellation, and has done so for a sustained period, that's success, at least for the time being.
> >
> > That's short term success, no doubt. But without the ability to hold the sales, after all the effort invested, the series will fail and I >fear T'Challa will fall even deeper into limbo.
>
> I think its fair to say that ALL series experience variation in sales depending on the storyline and other factors. Its also fair to say that all series utilize guest-stars and crossovers to help sales. Many people didn't think (or hoped) the series wouldn't last this long, yet its still going.

> > > There's little comparison between the flame of a match, and that of a bonfire, though. Hudlin clearly uses crossovers to a far greater extent than Priest ever did (to clarify, the 'Nuff Said issue was mandated by >all editors on all ongoing series).
> >
> > I don't think it was necessarily mandated that everyone had to participate. There were some mainstream Marvel Universe series that month that didn't participate. As for Priest not using crossovers as much as Hudlin, I don't recall that many crossovers taking place in the Marvel U proper back then as there are now. MAXIMUM SECURITY is the only one I can think of (which the Panther participated in), and that only lasted 3 months if I remember correctly. CIVIL WAR lasted seven, and now we've got the INITIATIVE follow-up as well as WORLD WAR HULK (although I don't think the BLACK PANTHER title is crossing over with WWH).
> >
> > > And while Priest did use guest stars quiet a bit, he did so in a manner that complimented the plots, not with an eye towards who was popular that month. Brother Voodoo, Moon Knight, Dakota North, hardly characters who draw a crowd ;\)
> >
> > Neither are Blade, Luke Cage, Shang-Chi, Falcon, the Inhumans, or the aforementioned Brother Voodoo, all of whom have guested in the current run.
> > >
> > > Even the more popular guest stars were there for fluid plot reasons. When Cap guest starred because if his historical connection to T'Challa, Wolverine gueststarred so that he could get Alpha Flight off Panther's back, etc.
> > > >
> >
> > With T'Challa's marriage and relationship to Storm, its not unlikely that the X-Men would show up in his title. Other than them, the only "big name" guest-stars that have shown up were as guests at the wedding, or as part of the Civil War storyline.
> >
> >
> > > Agreed, but IMO it should be in a more fluid and natural manner. In Priest's book, people came to T'Challa. In Hudlin, T'Challa goes to >them. In my opinion, at least.
> >
> > Well, again, I guess it depends on what you mean by "fluid." For example, when the Panther went to New Orleans and fought vampires, I didn't think it was unusual that Blade would show up -- nor that two heroes based in New Orleans (Brother Voodoo and Monica Rambeau) would appear.
> >
> > And not to bash Priest here, whose work I love, but if I remember correctly, didn't Black Goliath, the Falcon, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Brother Voodoo just kinda "show up" in one issue? Didn't he have the Hulk dancing in a nightclub? That didn't seem kinda forced to you?:-)
> >
> > > >
> > > > As for the definition of success, I'd say if a title is selling well enough that its in no immediate danger of cancellation, and has done so for a sustained period, that's success, at least for the time being.
> > >
> > > That's short term success, no doubt. But without the ability to hold the sales, after all the effort invested, the series will fail and I >fear T'Challa will fall even deeper into limbo.
> >
> > I think its fair to say that ALL series experience variation in sales depending on the storyline and other factors. Its also fair to say that all series utilize guest-stars and crossovers to help sales. Many people didn't think (or hoped) the series wouldn't last this long, yet its still going.


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