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Subj: Re: That arguement is antiquated.
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:29:43 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: That arguement is antiquated.
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:07:00 pm EDT
> I understand, and know that you're a good guy. To be honest, that's why I decided against continueing this thread, up until the rodent troll problem. Though I disagree with both you and Primetime on some matters, extended debate on the matters would be sour grapes, as you enjoy the series and I don't.
Thanks much, I appreciate that.
> You forget to add the X-Men and House of M to that list. In fact, the crossover with X-Men was the first crossover that series had had in at >least 5 years.
The X-Men crossover, which encompassed two issues of BLACK PANTHER, helped set the stage towards reestablishing the relationship between the Panther and Storm, which of course led to their marriage. It took place in Wakanda, so its not as if that crossover diverted from some other storyline in the Panther's title. As for House of M, that was only for one issue.
Incidentally, the X-Men participated in the House of M crossover prior to appearing in the Panther's title.
> Also, both Blade and Cage have a decent fanbase. They're hardly third stringers
Well, that's debatable. I love both characters, but at best they have a small but loyal fanbase. Blade has just been canceled for what, the fourth or fifth time? His series didn't even last a year. As Luke Cage, he was the only member of the Avengers (out of Spider-Man, Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Man, Sentry, and Spider-Woman) that didn't have his own series or one in the planning stages. Neither of them have enough star power to appreciably increase sales on a title -- in fact, I think sales when down in the issue where Blade made his first appearance.
> Because there are so many that they detact from the actual title, and come so close together that they prevent any stories about Panther's world.
The Panther's title, even when written by Priest, has always alternated between him being in Wakanda and the rest of the world. The X-Men crossover took place in Wakanda, as did the issues leading up to and including the wedding. If you go back and look at the Priest issues -- and I'm only citing those since they're the ones most critics of this run set as the standard -- you'll see that quite a few of those issues took place outside of Wakanda.
> We've had Cannibal around since the first arc. We've barely seen T'Challa's reconned in sister and T'Challa's supporting cast is virtually non existant. The series runs from one crossover to the next >without even really contributing to the title's star.
> I don't deny the commercial success, but the series is a creative failure because, as we've seen, it's completely unable to retain said >readers even after all the help it's been given.
As I pointed out in my earlier reply, Amazing Spider-Man spent nine issues tieing in to CIVIL WAR. That's almost a year. FANTASTIC FOUR spent eight issues. And I'd be willing to bet you that there was some drop off in sales after the tie-in issues ended. That's typical of ANY series, not just Black Panther.
And if tieing in to crossovers means a writer isn't giving his title character the development that he should, does that mean that the writers of Spider-Man and the FF are also guilty of what you're saying Hudlin is guilty of?
Big crossover events like CIVIL WAR and the like usually increase sales on related titles. That's why they do them. And I don't think the Panther title should be held to a double-standard just for doing what virtually every other mainstream Marvel title does. And again, I ask this respectfully, do you honestly know for a fact that the Panther title has more guest stars and does more crossovers than any other Marvel title? I'd really like to see proof of that.
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