Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Yaw

Subj: Re: I look forward to the Annual
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 11:24:48 am EST (Viewed 1 times)
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Because I like Black Panther and he is not in space/other dimension. That said I didn't even care for the "Once and Future King" plot. Sure it was a story in and of itself but painted a very grim view of T'Challa and his reign and verged on nihilism. I don't necessarily need a happy ending but damn. This is a hero comic and all that Priest succeeded in doing was supporting the notion that T'Challa and Wakanda are truly self-destructive.

My problem with The Wakandan mythos to date is that no author has truly considered ramifications of Wakandan politics as a viable alternative to notions of a democratic republic. You mentioned, no critiqued the annotated notions of rule used by Hudlin in the book but in truth Priest did not fare much better except of course for the fact that PRiest actually -discussed- it. Prior to that BP was simply a ruler chosen to fight by martial combat. Also it should be noted that martial combat is not the only means of succession as his uncle since Kirby's run inherited the crown from his brother. It was only Priest that ever made the distinction between king (automatic hereditary rule) and chieftain aka the Black PAnther (symbolic? rule of the tribes, won through martial combat).

At this point I hope that an -Ultimate Universe- depiction of Black PAnther be considered. Hereditary could be important and logically explained through the use of the sacred root that only those of a ceratin bloodline could ingest (and not die). Priest ingeniously established that. Using martial combat is not a problem IF it is shown that the competitors are trained from birth to be competent leaders. In reality the American educational system functions in this manner although it technically is a "free" system open to anyone. Though it maybe "free" and there are those that may "slip through the cracks" so to speak, the fact remains that there are obstacles and filters established that specifically target those that would be future leaders and those that will be janitorial workers. George W. Bush is a prime example of this.

My point is that if martial combat were the final task to complete among a group of competitors who had all past previous and rigorous mental competency tests then there is no reason that it could not be a viable tool in determining the new ruler. Hudlin's version of the task belitted it by having an obviously large, physical competitor whose literate skills were called into question. Priest's version of the task was also a bit confusing and misguided IMO particularly with a difference established between "king" and "Black Panther." I think Kirby handled it the best when it showed the fight to be a Battle Royale without and secondary commentary on the other contestants. Being vague was good.

> Because I like Black Panther and he is not in space/other dimension. That said I didn't even care for the "Once and Future King" plot. Sure it was a story in and of itself but painted a very grim view of T'Challa and his reign and verged on nihilism. I don't necessarily need a happy ending but damn. This is a hero comic and all that Priest succeeded in doing was supporting the notion that T'Challa and Wakanda are truly self-destructive.
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Well, I think Priest kept to his themes--the Warrior King Who Loses As He Wins, etc. But I get your point. Although a classic battle, not exactly inspiring.
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> My problem with The Wakandan mythos to date is that no author has truly considered ramifications of Wakandan politics as a viable alternative to notions of a democratic republic.
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I bet McGregor would have gotten to this one day.
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You mentioned, no critiqued the annotated notions of rule used by Hudlin in the book but in truth Priest did not fare much better except of course for the fact that PRiest actually -discussed- it. Prior to that BP was simply a ruler chosen to fight by martial combat. Also it should be noted that martial combat is not the only means of succession as his uncle since Kirby's run inherited the crown from his brother. It was only Priest that ever made the distinction between king (automatic hereditary rule) and chieftain aka the Black PAnther (symbolic? rule of the tribes, won through martial combat).
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> At this point I hope that an -Ultimate Universe- depiction of Black PAnther be considered. Hereditary could be important and logically explained through the use of the sacred root that only those of a ceratin bloodline could ingest (and not die). Priest ingeniously established that. Using martial combat is not a problem IF it is shown that the competitors are trained from birth to be competent leaders. In reality the American educational system functions in this manner although it technically is a "free" system open to anyone. Though it maybe "free" and there are those that may "slip through the cracks" so to speak, the fact remains that there are obstacles and filters established that specifically target those that would be future leaders and those that will be janitorial workers. George W. Bush is a prime example of this.
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> My point is that if martial combat were the final task to complete among a group of competitors who had all past previous and rigorous mental competency tests then there is no reason that it could not be a viable tool in determining the new ruler. Hudlin's version of the task belitted it by having an obviously large, physical competitor whose literate skills were called into question. Priest's version of the task was also a bit confusing and misguided IMO particularly with a difference established between "king" and "Black Panther." I think Kirby handled it the best when it showed the fight to be a Battle Royale without and secondary commentary on the other contestants. Being vague was good.


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