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emerick-man 
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MorteM

Subj: Re: K'vvvr charge...
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 10:27:27 am EDT (Viewed 220 times)
Reply Subj: "throaty things"
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 02:20:02 pm EDT




> I love the fact that the Panther has such intelligent fans, all these are great queries and theories. It's nice to talk about our hero, instead of Hudlin bashing. My thoughts, humbly presented...

Excellently expressed, Excelsior! (Thanks for current banner too.)
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> I do not believe ALL technology was wiped out for the battle. The main weapons systems of both sides where destroyed and armories blown up. Propulsion systems on the ship were disabled and there was not enough time to fix them before the battle. The ship still had its communications system,

Fair observation. Though, for argument sake this system mightve been easiest for them to repair quickest too.
> commander K'VVVR was given the choice to call for help, he just chose not to use it(one more week till retirement!).

Ha! Hear Ranier Wolfcastle shouting McBAAAAIN as his partner died in a similar just-before-retirement death. \:\)
> The commander also was able to talk to his priest through the in-ship communications during the final torturing scene.

Wonder if we should/will get an instory comment as to why Wakanda didnt communicate, thru any means, to call for help. Or maybe readers are to assume it was a cultural/xenophobic/pride thing.
> The "throaty things" were two, small, yet powerful, tech devices that T'Challa probably protected from the Skrull counter-attack to use later in his plan(vibranium is a good thing).

Possibly. It would be a neat detail to note the physical component of the throat thingee was Vibranium (instory). ATM, still think a Divine Duracell was how he powered it.
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> The Divinity aspect of the story is a great way to get past the special "Reed Richards designed stealth" the skulls have developed. If you follow Thor through the invasion, the skrull have been worried about God-involvement from the beginning..."They couldn't hide their souls. Not from the Panther God.(translated from skrull)"

That appears a key line. In that series (at least), Skrulls feel gods are not to be trifled with and apparently superskrull translates to 'GODKILLER'. Fortunately, for this story, Panther touched on it though more elaborate explanation should follow, if only to benefit the BP canon.

Why are there no aftereffects, yet, of Hercules' defeat of He who Loves You? How did Wakandas fare so equally well to Asgardians; werent the ratio of skrulls and superskrulls the same? Are the dimensional 'demon gods' from CB&MI13 equal in power to the Panther God; and did they just actively participate in the cleansing more? The 'other' gods must think humans can handle themselves? This Invasion is all about RELIGION and more deity answers/logic should be forthcoming by now in all the MU crossovers.
> That's how T'Challa was able to find the sleeper agents among his Wakandans, and even know that the woman he sent with Ororo was a skrull, so they would get captured, get inside the ship, and close to the commander. Don't ask me how/where they hid the "throaty things" from the skrulls during capture, I can only think of one "uncomfortable" place to hide a small orb (way to take one for the team, Ororo).

Did not get the impression that the newlyweds swallowed any device. Could be wrong but still feel the how/where they hid the "throaty things" must be told.
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> "...the how and when of the body switch..." was the most troubling for me to wrap my mind around. Of course, good story-telling demands that we dont see the body switch, so we might be surprised at the end, but an ex-post-facto explanation was not given, so it's up to us for the answer.

Agree that it was a good story telling device. Disagree that the explanation should be up to us(assume youre saying it is and not that it should be). Dont buy a story intending to imagine story specifics myself but expect the storytellers to provide the details and dialogue.

Readers paid the cover charge to read of the K'vvvr Charge. \:\)
> It took me a bit, but my hypothesis is: commander K'VVVR captured the king and queen, and after a quick search of their bodies, ordered them, in chains, to the interrogation room. While only under the watch of a handful of guards, the couple makes their move, overtakes the guards, switches places, and sets their plan in motion. When the priests/interrogators accept the prisoners, everything is set. The Panther and Storm are free to make thier way back to the command deck, and wait for their moment to strike.

Like your hypothesis. And will have to 'go with it' for now. But fully expect/demand confirmations of sorts NEXT issue.
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> I agree this felt like a genuine invasion, ruthless and brutal. I can see why Aaron is known for his war stories. For us to actually "feel bad" for the villians (especially commander K'VVVR and his wife), the writing must be expertly crafted.

Entertained by the sympathetic portrayal of some of the enemy war leaders in several Star Trek TV shows and felt positive similarities as K'vvvr's story played out.
> One of the first scenes we see of the Wakanda/Skrull war is a shot of skrull heads on pikes, outside the walls of the city...one of the last scenes we see, a silent, skrull warship stained red by the blood from corpses of failed skrull soldiers. Well done, Aaron/Palo!

Agreed. Really enjoyed it. Also if the detail about the ears you mentioned below:
The artwork was certainly not mainstream, but I love to see new artistic interrpretations of the Panther...from the crinkles in his forehead when he's worried, to his ears back when he's ready to pounce.

was intentional detail decision than that interpretation should be nodded.





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