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Reverend Meteor

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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nigma

Member Since: Sun Nov 26, 2017
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Subj: Re: Just saw Panther (maybe minor Spoilers)
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 01:48:14 am EST (Viewed 726 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Just saw Panther (maybe minor Spoilers)
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 11:20:19 am EST (Viewed 732 times)






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    Yep, I like Wakanda too. But, I'm not too sure I like the evolution to arrogance and elitism. I like the nobility aspect that was Wakanda, and T'Challa's, original depiction. T'Challa not wanting to grab a woman as a hostage because it wouldn't be honorable (Avengers #177), that's the T'Challa I like.


I like their elitism. They've built a country they can be proud of. Why do black characters always have to either be a) thugs or b) saints?

Wakandans (not counting T'Challa) are often jerks. But they're not evil. Wakandans are almost like black Repulicans or fans of Ayn Rand's philosophy. They're proud of what they've built and don't want to share with the world. It's a complex perspective to give black characters when black characters are usually either portrayed as a negative thug stereotype or portrayed as so saintly they lack any nuance.




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    While British and French empires redrawing the African map was devastating, let's not over-dramatize the effect. European Imperialism has been over for some 50-odd years. That's plenty of time to bounce back, and East Asia has done so. Quite nicely, in fact. If Africa hasn't, it says more about African culture, than European. No one forced Robert Mugabe to destroy his country. Or General Amin, or the butchers in Rwanda. Africans have to take responsibility for their own actions. War, slavery, abuse of power...all these things existed in Africa before the first European set foot on the continent (witness Coptic Egypt). Wakanda is a nice fantasy. But, it's just a fantasy. It doesn't underline European Imperialism in any way.


I certainly wouldn't want to sympathize with the warlords who have continued to hold Africa back but I think they capitalized on the mess the Europeans made of the continent.

When the French and British (and Belgian, Spanish, Italian, German and Portuguese) carved up Africa like a Christmas ham the borders they imposed to their new domains were made according to their own deals with each other with zero regard for the ethnic tribes actually living in those lands. Most fighting between African countries today is a result of those old borders the Europeans drew up that routinely split up the regions where these tribes were living.

Wakanda is indeed a fantasy. It's an African country with a degree of agency with enough economic power to affect world affairs. It's a what if scenario where it is the one African country not affected by the European colonizers. The Wakandans never went through being sold into slavery or having their lands divided among other European countries.





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