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Subj: Re: Random thoughts about the film
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 07:16:04 am EST (Viewed 56 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Random thoughts about the film
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 05:14:39 am EST (Viewed 79 times)

    Especially, I love the idea of seeing a super country on screen which is totally respectful of the Marvel Universe, particularly of Jack Kirby's concepts (Monster Island, Subterranea, Atlantis, Attilan, Olympia ...).

Yes. And we've only seen a small portion of Wakanda's mysteries. The next movie will surely delve deeper.

    M'Baku has a personal code of honour but, IMO, he remains a Wakandan chieftain with his own agenda.

As he should be. The Jabari are among his first concerns. What happened in this film is, Wakanda as a whole has become a top concern for him as well.


    Also, the Jabari don't believe in the Heart-Shaped Herb, which is a symbol of the Black Panther religion.

So if M'Baku had won the challenge near the start of the film, he would have rejected the herb? I suppose that's possible, but the movie never came close to even implying that, let alone stating it.

    I think that what will be interesting in the next Black Panther movies is that the Jabari are still an isolated religious minority group in Wakanda. It was one of Priest's bright ideas. M'Baku isn't a friend of T'Challa but he can remain an ally, as long as the Jabari are respected.

I think T'Challa will take steps to end their isolation. But only to the extent they actually want that. Surely they will be represented in the government as one tribe among five, equal to the rest. What I expect to see is some story line about a non-Jabari Wakandan who resents the new equality enjoyed by the Jabari and tries to sabsotage it. T'Challa will have to ferret out the truth.


      I wasn't expecting the Panther God to instead be described as a Panther Goddess, though it doesn't bother me and in fact I think her gender could explain the existence of the all-female Dora Milaje. I also wasn't expecting her to be named Bast, an Egyptian name, but after googling it appears this name has precedent in the comics. I was equally surprised when M'Baku's deity was named Hanuman, a Hindu Monkey God. No precedent in the comics that I can find. It would be cool if the next Panther film actually delved into Wakanda's ancient interactions with Egypt and India.

    The beginning of the movie might have given an explanation : in the MCU, Wakanda might be the oldest civilization, older than Ancient Egypt, Ancient India, Ancient China and pre-Columbian America.
    It is also confirmed by Klaue who compared Wakanda to El Dorado.

Ooh! So maybe Egypt got Bast and India got Hanuman from Wakanda instead of the other way around!

    IMO, it is also a reference to the Lost-World literary subgenre and at the same time, the movie treats it from an upside down point of view : instead of the explorers & colonists, we see it from the point of view from the hidden exotic civilization which protects itself from the rest of the world.

Wakanda as Shangri-La is certainly a plot element.

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