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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 08:37:03 am CST (Viewed 1210 times)
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    When Zuri offered Killmonger his own life in exchange for T’Challa’s during the ritual combat, Killmonger took it. Would not then Killmonger’s apparent further slaying of T’Challa have been a murder and not within his rights? Which should have been challenged immediately by the Dora Milage and the tribal leaders?

    Not familiar with Wakandan law, of course, but this seems like a relevant plot hole to me.

It is a good observation & remark. When I watched it, I didn't see it as a plot hole.

In the MCU, Zuri is presented as the arbitrator of the ritual combat because he is the shaman of the Panther tribe (notably, he oversees the shamanic rituals linked to the Heart-Shaped Herb).

His death was the consequence of interfering with the result of the ritual combat, something which should never have happened in the first place. It wasn't Killmonger who broke the rules, it was Zuri.

The interference & death of Zuri didn't stop Killmonger from concluding the combat as he initially planned. The main difference between T'Challa & Killmonger is the lack of compassion of Killmonger. T'Challa spared M'Baku because M'Baku assumed that he had lost. On the contrary, Killmonger had never wanted to spare T'Challa and the death of Zuri didn't change his mindset about it.

I think that, before M'Baku & Killmonger interfered, Zuri & T'Challa only saw the ritual combat as a traditional protocol in which the 3 tribes (River, Border, Mine) renew their allegiance to the Panther tribe (contrary to the Jabari who were apart).

(NB : BTW, in the comics, Zuri was different : he was one of the warriors that T'Challa fought to get the throne)

I forgot that Zuri physically interfered in the combat, and know nothing of comics past 1991, so can’t rely on source material.

I take it we are to believe that any interference in the ritual combat is punishable by death by Wakandan Law. Not hard to grasp, especially for a fan of the Original Star Trek series episode where Spock fought in Vulcan ritual combat, strangely similar to that of Wakanda.

If so, Zuri brought about his death regardless of his sacrificial offer: suicide by guilt, painted better by a futile plea to Killmonger’s humanity. Further, I assume Zuri as combat administrator was the ultimate authority to instruct the Dora Milage to kill anyone else interfering in the combat if he was unable to do so himself. Thus they watched, no doubt without precedence, as their job was performed for them, albeit by Killmonger, himself a combatant.

Then yes, he continued his right to slay T’Challa, and apparently did. Yet not even a question at any time that all was proceeding accordingly?

I guess I now find this less a plot hole than a lapse in writing. At such unusual breakdown in combat steeped in tradition, a momentary readiness of the Dora Milage to act, not to mention more of an outcry from the Tribal leaders and T’Challa’s Family, was missing IMO. I would have preferred this then followed by a command from Killmonger for them to step back, voicing a knowledge of Wakandan Law, that lets us know without doubt that Zuri must die for his crime, and the Dora Milage would be sacrilegious to interfere.

This would have made it a little more believable to me than the total passivity of all authorities during the chaos.

But maybe I need to see the movie a third time, I dunno.