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mnapoli40

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Quantum

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Subj: Re: Hydra Cap is the hero they deserve.... AND the hero they want...
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 at 03:23:45 pm EDT (Viewed 220 times)
Reply Subj: Hydra Cap is the hero they deserve.... AND the hero they want...
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 at 04:33:09 am EDT (Viewed 329 times)

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Fans here who are strongly inclined to the Right Wing of US politics have made several comments about how they don't like Spencer's political slant, or Marvel's political slant, or PC this or that, or SJW this or that. None of that is surprising to anyone who's ever read youtube comments. But it is surprising to me as an observer in the case of Secret Empire. It seems to me that for right-wing types, this story should be one of their favorites.

A right winger wishes that comics had more heroes that did things he wanted them to do. But now here is Cap doing those things. When the Red Skull gave those speeches early in the run that sounded like Trump, people came here and groaned that Spencer was taking on Trump. So why do they like those speeches when Trump says them but not when the Red Skull gives them?

What is weird is that the right-wing comments here have mostly been that that reader recognizes that Spencer is having his villains act right wing. Again, why don't they like that? OK, the Red Skull is an unredeemable villain, so they don't like having the right-wing character be a villain, but then Cap does the same thing and they still don't like it. Now it seems like the problem is that they know the writer is just not writing approvingly of right wing rhetoric. It's not the story they don't like, it is the writer's view of his own story. If Spencer was a hardcore right-winger he could have written the same story word for word and panel for panel. Would right wing readers like it then? No change to the story, just a change to the writer's view of what the characters are doing. Would they have liked the Red Skull's Trump speeches if they thought Spencer was all in on them? I suspect they'd be using the word "refreshing" to describe those speeches.

The GOP is definitely re-assessing and revising their views on tyranny. They have clearly widened their approval tent to let in Putin and Assad. Would a more conservative-friendly Spencer have garnered the Red Skull several new fans with the same speeches? If not, why not? Again, the right wing loves those things when Trump says them. They would love for the GOP to take over America like Cap has done. So, why are they not enjoying the story? It really seems like a Trump supporter's idea of great comics. I really think they would love it if Cap, doing all the same things, were considered the hero in SE by Marvel itself.


Perhaps you're projecting your own bias on those who are not as far to the left as you. It is a typical (and lazy) tactic of those on the left to assign all who are not in lockstep with their thinking to be wacko Nazis or racist sympathizers.

Your casual grouping of readers who don't want to see SJW issues shoved down their throats or have Spencer's political beliefs preached to them in an escapist form of art as people who should be enjoying a Nazi Cap is more a reflection of your prejudiced mindset than anything else. A person can disagree with liberal thought and not be an extreme right-winger who enjoys their favorite characters depicted as Nazis.

It is hard for me to believe that there are many on the left who are still clueless about what happened in the last presidential election. Sure, there were racists and ignorant bigots who voted for Trump, but they were definitely in the minority. A lot of his support came from people who tired of the smugness and arrogance of the left as they constantly ridiculed those as racists who were to the right of their beliefs. Trump is a backlash. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. Look who they voted for: a conceited, self-important candidate who still refuses to take responsibility for the fact that she lost.

Perhaps it is you who should be enjoying Nazi Cap. I imagine it would only take a small effort on your part to imagine the current Cap not as a Nazi but as a radical left-winger making the rabble bow down to your irrefutable ideology. Sounds fun, doesn't it?


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