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USAgentfan

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little kon-el

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Subj: Re: I agree with you...
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 at 01:02:50 pm EDT (Viewed 94 times)
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...I think I loved Gruenwald's run precisely because it was so nuanced in its portrayal of both Caps. I think he went overboard in making John Walker nuts, and maybe tipping his hand right there. But overall I liked it. It fits rather nicely with the What If issue where we have Red Skull's ideas come to fruition with Super Patriot and Buckies vs. The Captain and the Partners. He even spells it out explicitly with a Reagan speech about Ideas of America changing and that the Buckies and Captain America represent those ideals of America changing.

Now that I reread that stuff, I'm curious how Gruenwald would've handled this storyline. Let's say this is the rough draft and Gruenwald had to come in and "fix" it. How would you revamp this storyline (still keeping the same beats that were set up and still with the conclusion of Captain America beating HydraCap) and keep it even keel, more nuanced?

- l.k.



Even when he made Walker 'nuts' though, it was because he was a victim rather than because he was a bad guy.

If Spencer wrote that story, Walker would have been a god-fearing, gay-hating whackadoodle who would never have had a black man for a best friend like Gru's Walker did, because a steroetype like that would have fit perfectly with Spencers political agenda.

If you want to know what Secret Empire written by Gruenwald would have looked like, well it probably would have looked a lot like 'The Captain'.

Gruenwald has already written this story. Secret Empire is pretty much 'The Captain' ruined by Spencers inherent personal bias. Spencers also such a Gru acolyte that I doubt Secret Empire wasnt influenced in some way by Gru's greatest story - afterall, everything else in Spencers run was influenced by Gru. Frankly all of Spencers best ideas belong to Mark Gruenwald.