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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: I will try to get a No-Prize (^_^')
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 at 10:16:51 am EDT (Viewed 438 times)
Reply Subj: So about Avengers Endgame and Captain America
Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 at 01:21:40 am EDT (Viewed 554 times)



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    The directors seem to think Steve created an alternate time line by staying in the past, but if that is the case then shouldn't old man Rogers have NOT returned to give the shield to Falcon?



I'd say that depends how many parallel realities were created by the 2023 Avengers' time heist. \:\-\)

My hypothesis is that a time jump to the past splits the timeline in two, contrary to a time jump to the future (anyway, even if it does, it would not change the reasoning since it would create even more parallel realities). A time jump to the past is different from a time jump to the future because of the arrow of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

The branching is caused by the arrival of time travelers from the future. Their actions create an alternate history in the reality of arrival, not in the reality of departure.

Thus, in my opinion, it is possible that about 25 = 32 parallel realities may have been created by the 5 time jumps to the past ...

Still, for the sake of simplicity, we will only deal with the 6 parallel realities seen in the movie (= the main reality + the 5 time jumps to the past).


1940s (Y/N)
Version 1 (N) is the original history without a time traveler coming from 2023. There is no 2023 Steve around in the 1940s.
Version 2 (Y) is created by the time jump of 2023 Steve in the 1940s. 2023 Steve marries Peggy. Apparently, it happened in the history of the main reality (= the events at the end of the movie).
=> main reality = Y


1970 (YY/YN/NN)
The main timeline (Y) is split in two by the time jump of 2023 Tony & 2023 Steve in 1970.
In 1 version (YY), 2023 Tony steals the Tesseract. Then, 2023 Steve brings back the Space Stone (but it is no longer the Tesseract). It is an alternate history : it didn't happen in the past of the main reality because, in the year 2018 of the main reality, it is Thanos who turned the Tesseract into the Space Stone.
=> main reality = YN


2012 (YNY/YYN/YNN/NNN)
The main timeline (YN) is split in two by the time jump of the 2023 Avengers in 2012.
In 1 version (YNY), 2023 Bruce & 2023 Scott take the Time Stone & the Scepter. Loki escaped with the Tesseract. Steve knows that Bucky is still alive. Hydra wrongly believes that Cap might be on their side. Then, 2023 Steve brings back the Time & Mind Stones. It is an alternate history : it didn't happen in the past of the main reality because, in the year 2012 of the main reality, Steve didn't know that Bucky is still alive.
=> main reality = YNN


2013 (YNNY/YNYN/YYNN/YNNN/NNNN)
The main timeline (YNN) is split in two by the time jump of the 2023 Avengers in 2013.
In 1 version (YNNY), 2023 Rocket steals the Aether. 2023 Thor speaks to Frigga. Then, 2023 Steve brings back the Reality Stone (but it is no longer the Aether). In this version, Loki is still in jail and had not escaped in 2012. It is an alternate history : it didn't happen in the past of the main reality because, in the year 2018 of the main reality, it is Thanos who turned the Aether into the Reality Stone.
=> main reality = YNNN


2014 (YNNNY/YNNYN/YNYNN/YYNNN/YNNNN/NNNNN)
The main timeline (YNNN) is split in two by the time jump of the 2023 Avengers in 2014.
In 1 version (YNNNY), 2023 Rhodey & 2023 Nebula take the Orb. 2023 Clint takes the Soul Stone. The corpse of 2023 Natacha is on Vormir. Thanos & company disappear (and never come back). Then, 2023 Steve brings back the Power & Soul Stones. It is an alternate history : it didn't happen in the past of the main reality because, in the year 2018 of the main reality, Thanos & company are still around.
=> main reality = YNNNN


2018 - 2023
The conclusion is that the main reality seen in the movie is the one where Old Steve has always been around = YNNNN.

Old Steve is a chronal duplicate who comes from another parallel reality = perhaps, NNNNN ! (^_^')

2023 Steve went to another parallel reality, instead.

BTW, ;\-\)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Heist
https://medium.com/@thomaswong_8663/the-physics-of-avengers-endgame-b96af65f7ee0


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