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Subj: Re: Oddly...
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 05:38:13 pm EST
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 05:26:41 pm EST

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> > > You have NOTHING to prove your point. Not a damn comic appearance or even any editor or creator comments. You have nothing.
> >
> >
> > Where have you been the past year, J?
> >
> > Of course we have comics of:
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> > * Supergirl defeating Superman in speed;
>
> Not quite. She accelerated while they were flying and he 'lost' her. This was, again, clarified in Loebs last issue of the series when Kal clearly stated she was NOT more powerful.

They were racing.
Supes didn't clearly state anything. It was left up in the air.
If it was WW, I am sure you would be rubbing that scene in everyone's face.

>
> However, this point is MOOT, bc this topic is about STRENGTH and NOT speed.

The topic is about WW vs a female Kryptonian, and, until proven otherwise, a female Kryptonian is physically superior (stronger, faster, more durable). You should be happy that WW can win with her weapons and skills.


> > * Supergirl knocking him unconscious or, at least, stunning him badly;
>
> Again, a gross misrepresentation. She didnt stun OR KO him. He was LETTING HER hit him. I suggest you re-read the issue. Im not the only person here who has corrected you on your erroneous 'example.'

He was seen unconscious at the end of an issue, and extremely groggy at the beginning of other, and saying she could kill him. How is this a gross misrepresentation? You make it sound as if she didn't hurt him.


> > * Gasp... Supergirl embarrassing every single team on DC (Legion -- not in combat --, Teen Titans, Outsiders, and part of JLA);
>
> And this has to do with WW as a strength comparison... because?

Because WW can't accomplish such a feat and had her hands full with Starfire alone.

> > * Supergirl keeping up with Flash in speed;
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> And what does speed have to do with strength? Nor did she embarass him. HE caught up with her. What she DID embarass him in is intellgience.

I didn't say she embarrassed him, but, well, she did...

> > * Supergirl beating Martian Manhunter in a few panels;
>
> And Diana did the same to Jonn - along with Plastic Man, Batman, Flash & Black Canary all at once - while blind.
>

That was training. Not a real fight. So, when Supes and Supergirl are racing in space, it doesn't count... this is brilliant.
Manhunter was training with WW, and they stalemated (and even embarrassed WW at certain points of the battle). Does this count too? I will post the scans more than gladly.


> > * Supergirl stalemating Mon-El;
>
> Matrix defeated Mon-El, too. Shes not nearly as strong as Kara OR Diana.

I haven't seen this story, so I can't comment, but Matrix was uber for a while.

> > * Supergirl embarrassing Wondergirl (twice at this point... one was a victory in combat).
>
> Prior to Cassies power up. And, again, Cassie isnt even nearly close to Dianas strength level so how this is a comparison to Diana is beyond me.

The second time was after the power-up. Wondergirl stood up to WW and stunned her with her lightning. The same attack against Supergirl knocked her own self unconscious.


> Your assumptions are absurd. You proved nothing really. You have yet to dismiss or attempt to tackle ANY of the points Ive made and all your points dont even involve STRENGTH *OR* Wonder Woman. They all involve characters who are SERIOUSLY weaker than both Kara AND Diana.


No. Superman is seriously stronger than WW and comparable to Supergirl. Martian Manhunter may even be stronger than WW, depending on the depiction.
Flash embarrassed WW a few times...
WW can't defeat Teen Titans on her own.



> Like I said in my original post - you have NO PROOF. NOTHING.

I have proof, even though you hate them and twist facts to prove your stance...


> >
> > Solicits do not equal showings.
>
> Nope, they arent showings but they are editorial edict.

And they mean nothing. Iron Man is invincible. Juggernaut is unstoppable. She-Hulk is the strongest super heroine on Earth. What counts are showings. The marketing department of DC can advertise books any way the want. Covers are as invalid and often misrepresent the inside of a book.

> Why would DC state, with all certainty, that Diana is "The DCU's most powerful heroine!" then?

Marketing strategy. Chances are editors have nothing to do with that, but the marketing department.


> They were racing.
> Supes didn't clearly state anything. It was left up in the air.
> If it was WW, I am sure you would be rubbing that scene in everyone's face.

They were not racing. They were flying together. She decided to accelerate.

Again the topic was clarified in Loebs final issue.

> The topic is about WW vs a female Kryptonian, and, until proven otherwise, a female Kryptonian is physically superior (stronger, faster, more durable). You should be happy that WW can win with her weapons and skills.

And, again, you have ZERO proof that a female Kryptonian is more powerful than Wonder Woman.

Otherwise based on past examples and other examples Kara Zor El is *not* more powerful OR stronger than Diana (see: JLA#118).

> He was seen unconscious at the end of an issue, and extremely groggy at the beginning of other, and saying she could kill him. How is this a gross misrepresentation? You make it sound as if she didn't hurt him.

He was not unconcious.

And why couldnt Kara kill him? He wasnt fighting her back. He was letting her beat up on him.

> Because WW can't accomplish such a feat and had her hands full with Starfire alone.

WW seemingly had no problem with the JLA in her own book. Nor did she have a problem with the Ultramarines. She also didnt have much of a problem with Superman - on more than one occasion. A feat Kara has yet to accomplish.

And Diana didnt have her hands full with Starfire - Starfire initatiated the 'fight' and Diana simply kept her at bay.

> That was training. Not a real fight. So, when Supes and Supergirl are racing in space, it doesn't count... this is brilliant.

That wasnt TRAINING. You dont shoot someone with a gun during TRAINING. You dont attempt to PROVE that someone is incapable during TRAINING. Training is to BETTER the characters involved. THAT wasnt the case here.

> Manhunter was training with WW, and they stalemated (and even embarrassed WW at certain points of the battle). Does this count too? I will post the scans more than gladly.

Manhunter embarrassed WW? The entire fight had Kate GLORYFING Diana. Dianas superior speed was showcased NUMEROUS times. And Diana 'training' with Kate was for Kates benefit - NOT Dianas. Kate ASKED Diana for help, remember? You really misread alot of the scenes you try and post here.

> The second time was after the power-up. Wondergirl stood up to WW and stunned her with her lightning. The same attack against Supergirl knocked her own self unconscious.

No it wasnt. The power up didnt come up til AFTER that Supergirl issue in Teen Titans when Cassie caught the plane. So youre wrong.

Cassie didnt stun WW at all. Diana called it, and let me a quote a "sting." She said it was Zeus lightning AND we have a scene of Diana HOLDING Zeus lightning in her hands with no ill effects as well. So your version of "stun" is wrong as well. It had NO effect on Diana.

> Flash embarrassed WW a few times...
> WW can't defeat Teen Titans on her own.

Diana has caught the Flash on NUMEROUS occasions and has been said to be one of the fastest members of the JLA ALONG with Superman and Flash.

And Diana could defeat the Titans, easily. Who on that team has ANY chance againt her? Robin? Ravager? Kid Devil? Raven? Cassie? PLEASE.

Wonder Woman has held her own and DEFEATED Superman. TWICE. You, my friend, are BUGGIN.

> I have proof, even though you hate them and twist facts to prove your stance...

Ive twisted nothing. You ignored EVERYTHING I said and posted speed examples and examples with people, like Cassie, who are severely weaker than Diana.

> And they mean nothing. Iron Man is invincible. Juggernaut is unstoppable. She-Hulk is the strongest super heroine on Earth. What counts are showings. The marketing department of DC can advertise books any way the want. Covers are as invalid and often misrepresent the inside of a book.

The show precedence.
>
> Marketing strategy. Chances are editors have nothing to do with that, but the marketing department.

Oh so the marketing dept can say and do anything they want without company approval? lol

Surely you business knowledge is limited - especially when dealing with a HUGE company like Warner Bros. who view Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman as MASSIVE marketing oppurtunities.




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