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J

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Beowulf

Subj: not quite.
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:39:31 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Does sheer Skill & Ability not Count Though?
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:02:59 am EST

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> > > > Just *how* dangerous would such a person as below in the scans be?!
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> > > Dangerous because she is a Kryptonian (therefore Supe's equal) but especially dangerous to another Kryptonian because of her extensive knowledge of all of their vulnerable nerve points and so on. I suspect though that she would probably get her butt handed to her if she were to fight Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter since they would be right up there in strength but without the Kryptonian weak points that she is using to cripple Supes. So in this case her fighting skills seems especially suited to battling other Kryptonians but we have no proof that she is as well rounded a fighter as Wonder Woman.
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> > Fair enough but Martial arts is martial arts.
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> > I'm more interested though in just how dangerous such an opponent would be for Superman - it's basically what Wonder Woman is made up to be right?
> > If you gave Shang Chi that sort of power would you agree he'd demolish Superman and if so why isn't WW capable of that sort of clear advantage?
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> > Or to be blunt - is she overrated in that regard? >:-|
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> I don't think WW is over rated and she would be every bit as deadly (perhaps more so) to Superman if she knew of the Kryptonian weak points as this lady does. Lets face it, no matter how strong the opponent, Supes can take a martial arts punch, chop or kick with the best of them. Its not so much her Martial Arts that is making the difference in this fight but the fact that she knows exactly where to hit Supes to get the maximum results.

I think that WW just cannot be that great an martial artist.
It is a bit of a contradiction.
Why? Because the current version already possesses vast superpowers. If you are a powerhouse and much more powerful than your instructors, how can you become a true master of such skills?

Pre-crisis Wonder Woman was the best of all amazons, thanks to her skills. She was the first among equals(more or less) Post-Crisis Wonder Woman is god-powered and far beyond beyond her sisters abilities to compete(Which made the contest a bit of a joke IMHO). If all amazons were as powerful as Diana and then they would train martial arts with each other, only the sky would be the limit. And not even Superman would stand a chance. But that is not the case.

Faora on the other hand mastered her kryptonian kung fu on Krypton, where she was as normal as any other Kryptonian and still became the deadliest woman alive. A kryptonian Lady Shiva crossed with Ted Bundy. So superpowers combinated with vast fighting skills made her a truly terrfying opponent.

Diana is the *best* of what the Amazons have to offer - not only philisophically or power (obviously) but in skill as well. This has been repeated (and proven during The Contest).

Diana, as a child, was tested: a surprise attack left many of her Amazon sisters in critical condition causing Diana great fear in using her abilties - and proving just what she was capable of doing. After this Phillipus (among others) trained Diana in the use of her abilities AND taught her how to control the level of power she uses (as seen during sparring sessions with Batman, Black Canary and Lady Shiva to name a few...).

The Contest, as written be WML had Diana powerless during the competition with 1/2 of her skill being transferred to Artemis (causing Diana to lose). The original Contest had Diana using her ability to control her speed & strength to match her Amazon sisters (and why would she lie? Shes the living embodiment of The Truth)...

Hippolyta showed how trained in marital arts the Amazons are - she defeated Heracles in h2h combat even though he is Class 100 and she is only Class 10 - using far superior skill. Diana is better than her mother.


> I think that WW just cannot be that great an martial artist.
> It is a bit of a contradiction.
> Why? Because the current version already possesses vast superpowers. If you are a powerhouse and much more powerful than your instructors, how can you become a true master of such skills?
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> Pre-crisis Wonder Woman was the best of all amazons, thanks to her skills. She was the first among equals(more or less) Post-Crisis Wonder Woman is god-powered and far beyond beyond her sisters abilities to compete(Which made the contest a bit of a joke IMHO). If all amazons were as powerful as Diana and then they would train martial arts with each other, only the sky would be the limit. And not even Superman would stand a chance. But that is not the case.
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> Faora on the other hand mastered her kryptonian kung fu on Krypton, where she was as normal as any other Kryptonian and still became the deadliest woman alive. A kryptonian Lady Shiva crossed with Ted Bundy. So superpowers combinated with vast fighting skills made her a truly terrfying opponent.


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