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Braugi

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JesusFan

Subj: depends...
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 09:34:24 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: some eternals fights...
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 10:09:32 pm EST

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> > Imagine these four eternals band together...
> >
> > Sersi, Makarri, The Forgotten One and Thena
> >
> > to fight the following groups, who would win? (not a gauntlet)
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> > vs. Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter
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> Eternals win. Sersi may well transform them into cod liver oil.

Think though WW ,being Magical creation, is able to resist that to some degree, and MM could also, being a shape shifter. Even if she doesn't, going by usual depictions, FO will fight Thor in a close fight, Thena will do the same with WW (Thena is more powerful, but WW can deflect EP pretty well, and is stronger and faster), and Sersi can hold her own with Jonn for a while, and Makkari will beat the Flash...unless its one of Flash's top showings, in which case Eternals lose...once they're a man down, its a cascade effect...still this is a VERY close fight, as Sersi loses to MM a majority of the time IMO

You seem though to have forgotten Supes, as he will be able to deal with the Forgotten One in a good fight, while WW keeps Sersei busy, while MM will use his full powers to down Thena, leaving Supes to help Flash, MM to aid Diana,,
End result... Eternals are taken out in a good one..
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> > vs. The Avengers (Cap, Ironman, Thor, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver)
> >
> Eternals win. Quicksilver is slower even than pre speedup Makkari, and can't compete in terms of other powers, even with the post speedups drop in his other abilities. Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Scarlet Witch are easy prey for Sersi alone, and while Thor has beaten a powered up Gilgamesh, the fight won't be easy for him, and Thena can take on anyone on the team short of Thor herself. Eternals dominate here.

Yes... Unless this is Extermis IM, with prepping, than it gets interesting!
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> > vs. Thanos, Ronan and Superskrull
> Ronan and Superskrull would be good fights for some of them individually...Sersi might actually be able to take Thanos, who has been transmuted to Stone before, but I think he'd be pretty well protected from that by now, so the Eternals lose here
Agreed... Thanos will be the one to bring his team the win...
> >
> > vs. Orion, Big Barda, Lightray, Mr. Miracle
> >
> Gil vs. Orion is a close fight, as is Barda vs. Thena...Sersi could be problematic for them, and makkari is fast...depends. Mr. Miracle is outgunned (unless he uses the Alpha Effect which, IIRC has only been mentioned in one appearance), but Makkari might well go down to Lightray quickly...but then, I think Thena would possibly beat Lightray.
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> Again, Sersi is the key, and because of Mr. Miracles power deficiency I give the edge to the Eternals, even though some of the specific matchups probably favor the New Gods (Orion beats Gil IMO)
>
> > vs. Darkseid
> Umm...Gil alone has a good shot of doing so, as does Thena or Sersi...

Depends on which Seid though..
One who is afraid of Supes gets beat down, One who remembers that he should still be at his PC levels wins...
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> >
> > vs. Morg, Stardust and Red Shift
>
> 4 on 3, good fights all...Morg would beat Gil in a close one, and Stardust would probably beat either sersi or Thena, but pretty close fights, and Thena might well beat RS...Does Makkari make the difference...pre speedup, probably, post speedup, probably not.
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>

> > > Imagine these four eternals band together...
> > >
> > > Sersi, Makarri, The Forgotten One and Thena
> > >
> > > to fight the following groups, who would win? (not a gauntlet)
> > >
> > > vs. Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter
> >
> > Eternals win. Sersi may well transform them into cod liver oil.
>
> Think though WW ,being Magical creation, is able to resist that to some degree, and MM could also, being a shape shifter. Even if she doesn't, going by usual depictions, FO will fight Thor in a close fight, Thena will do the same with WW (Thena is more powerful, but WW can deflect EP pretty well, and is stronger and faster), and Sersi can hold her own with Jonn for a while, and Makkari will beat the Flash...unless its one of Flash's top showings, in which case Eternals lose...once they're a man down, its a cascade effect...still this is a VERY close fight, as Sersi loses to MM a majority of the time IMO
>
Sersi has proven capable of transmuting even people who can transmute pretty well themselves i.e. a dozen or so lower tier Eternals at once...and Diana has shown a few times that she is clay at base, so I'd say there's a reasonable chance. Even if Sersi doesn't transmute anyone directly, I could see her simply removing the vembrances and the lasso, leaving WW unprotected against ranged attacks...and she's still got high end illusory abilities, energy projection, and psi.

In short, however, I think it comes down to the first person to fall...and, especially at the speed at which they would be fighting, the first to go down is Flash.

> You seem though to have forgotten Supes, as he will be able to deal with the Forgotten One in a good fight, while WW keeps Sersei busy, while MM will use his full powers to down Thena, leaving Supes to help Flash, MM to aid Diana,,
> End result... Eternals are taken out in a good one..

No, I even mentioned that Superman would beat him, but that fight isn't going to be over in a few seconds...its going to be a tough, brutal fight. I could see MM beating Sersi in such a way, but not necessarily Thena...on average, in combat, I think Thena could beat Jonn at least 50% of the time, while Sersi, barring good transmutation showings, loses a good one against either WW or Jonn, though neither is easy, or again, anywhere near as fast as the Flash/Makkari fight.
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> >
> > >
> > > vs. The Avengers (Cap, Ironman, Thor, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver)
> > >
> > Eternals win. Quicksilver is slower even than pre speedup Makkari, and can't compete in terms of other powers, even with the post speedups drop in his other abilities. Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Scarlet Witch are easy prey for Sersi alone, and while Thor has beaten a powered up Gilgamesh, the fight won't be easy for him, and Thena can take on anyone on the team short of Thor herself. Eternals dominate here.
>
> Yes... Unless this is Extermis IM, with prepping, than it gets interesting!
> >
> > > vs. Thanos, Ronan and Superskrull
> > Ronan and Superskrull would be good fights for some of them individually...Sersi might actually be able to take Thanos, who has been transmuted to Stone before, but I think he'd be pretty well protected from that by now, so the Eternals lose here
> Agreed... Thanos will be the one to bring his team the win...
> > >
> > > vs. Orion, Big Barda, Lightray, Mr. Miracle
> > >
> > Gil vs. Orion is a close fight, as is Barda vs. Thena...Sersi could be problematic for them, and makkari is fast...depends. Mr. Miracle is outgunned (unless he uses the Alpha Effect which, IIRC has only been mentioned in one appearance), but Makkari might well go down to Lightray quickly...but then, I think Thena would possibly beat Lightray.
> >
> > Again, Sersi is the key, and because of Mr. Miracles power deficiency I give the edge to the Eternals, even though some of the specific matchups probably favor the New Gods (Orion beats Gil IMO)
> >
> > > vs. Darkseid
> > Umm...Gil alone has a good shot of doing so, as does Thena or Sersi...
>
> Depends on which Seid though..
> One who is afraid of Supes gets beat down, One who remembers that he should still be at his PC levels wins...
> >
> > >
> > > vs. Morg, Stardust and Red Shift
> >
> > 4 on 3, good fights all...Morg would beat Gil in a close one, and Stardust would probably beat either sersi or Thena, but pretty close fights, and Thena might well beat RS...Does Makkari make the difference...pre speedup, probably, post speedup, probably not.
> >
> >


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