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sheridan

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The Pumpkinhead

Subj: naw....luke was more powerful
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:32:26 pm EST
Reply Subj: I'm with you-Vader was pretty much toying with Luke NT
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:39:15 pm EST

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> My friend, in his ignorance, insists that Luke Skywalked had superceded Vader in power by the end of the final movie. I, of course, laughed at him and explained that Vader wasn't really trying to beat Luke, and if he was, it would have been a repeat of their fight in Cloud City.
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> My friend, in his mental insanity, says that in the time between V and VI, Luke grew stronger, and beat Vader in a fair fight, or at the very least, could have if he'd wanted to. He points to Luke taking Vader's hand as proof. I pointed out that Vader spent half the fight goading him and blocking, and didn't use any of his powers in the fight like he did in cloud city.
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> Alas, I see no way to tell for certain, so I thought I'd see what the majority of the board thought.
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> Note: The important point, however, is that all arguments have to be made using episodes IV-VI preferably, I-III if necessary, and not any outside material (novels).
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> Anyone have an opinion? There's some videos of the fights on youtube if you need a refresher.

i see it like this. luke was still a jedi wannabe by the time he showed up to fight vader in "return." vader was taunting him, etc, to get him to use his anger and (as a direct result), turn to the dark side. the problem was, that when luke used his anger, it was more than vader could handle. so for that brief period of time, luke was "stronger."

it is worth noting, however, that vader wasn't trying to kill luke. rather, he was just trying to turn him. if vader opened up on luke, i doubt luke would have survived. but, again, for that short time, luke was stronger....though i don't think "on balance" luke comes anywhere close to vader in power level.

sheridan


> > My friend, in his ignorance, insists that Luke Skywalked had superceded Vader in power by the end of the final movie. I, of course, laughed at him and explained that Vader wasn't really trying to beat Luke, and if he was, it would have been a repeat of their fight in Cloud City.
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> > My friend, in his mental insanity, says that in the time between V and VI, Luke grew stronger, and beat Vader in a fair fight, or at the very least, could have if he'd wanted to. He points to Luke taking Vader's hand as proof. I pointed out that Vader spent half the fight goading him and blocking, and didn't use any of his powers in the fight like he did in cloud city.
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> > Alas, I see no way to tell for certain, so I thought I'd see what the majority of the board thought.
> >
> > Note: The important point, however, is that all arguments have to be made using episodes IV-VI preferably, I-III if necessary, and not any outside material (novels).
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> > Anyone have an opinion? There's some videos of the fights on youtube if you need a refresher.


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